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    Alcohol is also a massive drain on the NHS. Where does it all stop? I'm not saying I disagree with your wider point but I wouldn't support banning smoking.
     
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    Smoking kills around 80k a year in the uk I believe.
    A quick google says 7.5k from alcohol abuse.
    I'm guessing smoking also puts a huge strain on the NHS beyond those dying with people loving with debilitating health issues too.
    And while alcoholics are addicts, I would guess (happy to be corrected) that a much higher percentage of smokers are addicted to nicotine.
    Btw I agree with the general point you were making ;)
     
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    Why not indeed, it won’t happen of course, but if they invented alcohol today it wouldn’t be made legal.
     
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    And gambling?
     
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    Smoking does indeed cost the NHS a huge amount of money. So, given that banning them would just result in an unregulated black market / smuggling, you might as well ensure that smokers continue to pay for their cost to the NHS via duty on the sale of cigs. We have, as has been pointed out, done as much as possible to ensure that the third party damage is as limited as possible. We have also made them impossibly expensive, removed the marketing draw by making them be sold in plain packets, and as a society, pretty much ostracized smokers. Leave it at that for now.
     
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    Not many do that though. Huge smuggling market (and illegal tobacco factories) meaning no money to the treasury and people getting significantly discounted fags and tobacco.
    #stocks dwindling as the smugglers can't get abroad.
     
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    Further to above, surely it is a habit that is dying out as existing smokers pop off. I find it hard to fathom why kids these days would start, given the cost of them, no fancy recognisable branding etc. Not like in my day when the local shop sold them in singles with a free match for 8p.
     
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    As a former "fatty" (actual I was morbidly obese) I think in society we are too soft on people who choose to eat themselves to death. But then would we have a black market on cakes and biscuits :D
     
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    People would go from dealing one sort of spice to another.
     
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    Excessive alcohol also costs in terms of police time, hospital visits , domestic abuse, depression etc etc.
     
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    I think it is one reason why our death count from covid is so high. It seems quite clear that being obese massively increases the chances that a person will require medical intervention. And we are the fattest nation in Europe.
     
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    The same argument can be made for America too.
     
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    I thought about that when I was reading about obesity making you high risk.
     
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    I'm buggered, then, being overweight (though I never eat cakes as I don't like them)!
    This is like being in Logan's Run, without the benefit of Jenny Agutter!:D
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    Smokers therefore, are harming themselves only

    En their kids. Saw one today, coughin her tw*t out, *** in hand, waving it about in the bairns face as it sat in the push chair. F***** b****.
     
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    Deaths from smoking seem to be accepted as some sort of "collateral damage" to be tolerated and just lived with. Quite similar in fact to the acceptance of deaths caused by road traffic collisions....
     
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    I've killed more people single handedly voting Conservative being the anti-Christ n' all.
     
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    Excuse me, Tea addiction is a real problem.
     
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    Just on the basis of cost. Last time I checked a year or so in a similar discussion I think the revenue generated from tax on cigarettes far exceeded the additional costs to the NHS. Also smokers living shorter lives on average save on pensions so on a purely economic argument banning smoking doesn’t bake sense
    To make things worse it seems smokers for reason no one understands seem to be more resistant to Coronavirus.

    You can’t compare the 2 in any case Smoking these days tends to only affect the smokers themselves whereas lockdown is to protect everyone
     
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    Or indeed every possible cause. Except Covid.
     
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