Corbyn and the Media

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  1. Marlon

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    No!!!
     
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    The way the Tories have gone after the weakest in the country on the lie that everyone on benefits is a scrounger is a bit extreme font you think ,but yet the media have backed em on that one .extremism is in the eye of the beholder.Jeremy Corbyn or indeed the left havnt got a monopoly on extreme views its how they are portrayed and who by.imo
     
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    The ownership of the press, the undue influence they wield, and the priveleged background that most of their staff are drawn from would make you want to follow someone that could unsettle them so much. Hope Jezza is equal to it.
     
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    It's a waste of time trying to counter it or even rage against it IMO.through all the lies and insinuations he needs to keep focus the people will see through it if he holds fast imo
     
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    "people" won't though. Far too many won't that would make a difference unless that stand is taken.

    He who shouts loudest gets heard. And at the minute the press are shouting as loud as ever
     
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    Don't get me wrong, I completely believe that the standard of the welfare state says a lot about the country and there should always be a good support mechanism for those who genuinely need it. The problem we've created in this country is that the welfare state was burgeoning to such an extent that something had to be done. There had to be caps placed within it and the workshy who use it as a lifestyle option had to be tackled.

    This isn't ideology, its a simple fact and I genuinely believe this is one area of JCs philosophy that scares the centre of his party to death (amongst other things).
     
  7. tobyornottoby

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    Do you really believe that the government have gone out of their way to peddle the idea that everyone on benefits is a scrounger?

    Quote me a cabinet minister who has said this.

    Failing that, any other Tory MP will do.
     
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    The benefits bill for the 'workshy' (usually has feckless attached to it too) is a small percentage of the welfare bill. Far bigger problems in the country.
     
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    This
     
  10. Marlon

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    Maybe so Mario but Thatcher used the welfare state to entice steelworkers and miners to take redundancies to kill our industries .I can remember management telling g miners that they wouldn't be hassled if they went long term sick if they took redundo.
    As they sold their jobs mining/steel areas became stagnant and the children of these redundant miners also went on welfare rightly or wrongly because in the eighties it was the only income in these areas for some.
    Blair came in and enhanced benefits as it was easier to do than create any infrastructure so when the Tories got in again they had a field day but instead of helping they kick people. But as I said whether you have sympathy for their situation or not there is no doubt its the welfare system as a whole the Tory's are attacking and using the so called scroungers as an excuse.
     
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    They get their media to do it as you are surely aware that's how politicians work .
    And plenty of quotes the media egged on by the Tory politicians have said this
     
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    What they are doing is making the employer actually pay proper wages, rather than having the state prop up inadequate wages with tax credits.

    This might cheer me up as a non-benefit claimer. As it may mean I pay less tax to prop up this system.

    As an employer it may have meant that I had to increase their wages to avoid falling foul of the minimum wage. But I pay more than the 2020 minimum wage already.

    And I think other employers should too. Rather than have the state make up the difference.
     
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    No not proper wages just enough to ease their consciences so they can carry on kicking the poorest.
     
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    I can just see all these employers scrambling to up the wages of everyone

    *sarcasm mode well and truly turned into overdrive*
     
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    That's what they say as perceived experts.
     
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    Or hours will be reduced and more squeezed out of already hard working people.
     
  17. tobyornottoby

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    I do not get this myth that people believe all they read in the papers. Not these days.

    It really does insult your fellow human being in asserting that he or she just swallows tabloid stories. And they go out and vote like zombies for something they don't really like.

    People get their info and education from all sorts of sources. More so tv than papers now. Have done for a while. Then there's social media, where it's usualy more trendy to be down and left than nasty right.

    BBC is left leaning if anything. ITV is bland. Sky is not obviously biased.

    Yet everyone on here seems to think their eyes can be glazed over and their brains funked by what they read on the front page of the Sun.

    It's a fantasy. From a bygone age.
     
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    Your solution is?
     
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    Based on election results.
     
  20. Marlon

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    It's got to the stage where people who are wanting to start a business think they have a right to take on a worker on slave wages then complain they have to pay minimum wage.
    Well I'm sorry but if they can't pay a decent wage to a person then your business isn't viable imo
     

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