Davey "a broken man" after reds departure

fear enough

Interesting and I guess just a matter of degree in terms of what we are saying. I'd say that your last paragraph gives away the argument though..... "oldest management doctrines"? I have little respect for traditional management theories or practices.
I've been managed by a variety of bosses over the years and those who tried in any way to engender a fear of what they might do or say were without exception those that were ridiculed and disrespected. I'd go as far as to say that it would be impossible for me to both fear and respect someone. The motivational factor in working with a good boss was always the desire to please and gain praise from someone that I did respect. Of course this raises a certain amount of anxiety and the need to succeed rather than fail. Fear shouldn't come into it.

"it is always safer to be feared than loved, but it is never wise to be hated" - little phrases like that are invariably too crude to be worth very much.

 

RE: Well said Dirk

It's no different to the reaction of any employee when their line manager is about to change. We all fear a **** being appointed and most of us want someone who won't give us a hard time. The difference is we normally keep these thoughts to ourselves or within the confines of our team, not share them with the general public.

 

Why are you a fckwit?

Why do you deserve to have the club shut or in the conference?

 

RE: fear enough

The trouble is - that particular phrase was written by Niccolo Machiavelli in 1513 as part a wider doctrine regarding the theory of management which has since that time merited nearly five hundred years of research and study (and after all this time he isn't regarded as someone who has been 'discredited' - as many other theorists and philosophers have been). But it's ok if you want to disregard it as 'too crude to be worth very much'. As for 'traditional theory v innovation' - I have every respect for innovation, but the stuff that is still around generation after generation generally deserves some respect too (i.e. more than a little), and if you look at it long enough you'll see why. If you completely disregard what is established - where do you begin from exactly? Re-inventing the wheel most probably.

We clearly have a difference of opinion - and perhaps I have been a bit harsh on Bobby Hassell (although reading that article does feel like a bit of a wind up TBH) - but all I suggest is that 'respect' as a term generally serves as a catch all for people that we admire, we love, or we fear - that we hold in a particular regard that is substantially more than merely 'throw-away'. There can be fear in respect, just as there can be love without respect. I don't want you to think that my idea of management is sadistic or anything - I just think there has to be a balance and a blend of all these things. I can't agree with you when you suggest that management is an absence of fear.

If the back room at BFC has been pally pally, and there's a lack of discipline, and we are seeing signs of it on the pitch (like a goal within a minute of conceeding from a penalty) - I think if Bobby Hassell and the rest of the squad get a boot up the arse, they've probably had it coming. It's all 'if and ands' - just my thoughts and opinions.

 

If the job meant THAT much to him

Why did he bugger off to do his OTHER job in america during the summer instead of staying in barnsley doing everything in his power to keep his job?

 

RE: Why are you a fckwit?

http://www.barnsleyfc.org.uk/bbs/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=150214&mid=1012863#M1012863

 

RE: Why are you a fckwit?

lol, so true

 

Hang on now

The ladies in my house think you're sweet, lovely, funny, kind, generous & charming. Is that the criteria for a fckwit? If it is, I'm really up a certain creek without adequate means of propulsion!

 

This fckwit's fcked off with it all.

Think the next appointment will kill or cure BFC. </p>

Superwanker and his ilk rubbing their hands at a new sap to berate endlessly.</p>

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I think you're right.

This managerial appointment will either move the club onto bigger and better things or send us down to revisit the 1960's and 70's.

 

Genuinely nervous about the future.

But it's not just down to on field matters that make me like that. The sacking/mutual consent departure of Davey was to me unprofessional - statements from individuals who aren't on the board relaying club matters to the media, policy on the hoof it appeared. I might be being harsh but it all looked poor. I'm not saying the way things were going that getting a new managerwasn't justified, but there's a correct way of doing things. It all adds to those that question the Board structure at Oakwell, myself included. </p>

And from all that - who's going to decide on the new manager ? Rowing's already caused speculation with his 'young manager in work' comments - not helpful.</p>

Interesting comments from the playing staff about Davey's work within the restraints put on him - of course that's ignored or those players are wrong according to certain contributors on here - arrogance and ignorance combined.</p>

People seem to think a new manager = instant change in fortunes. I hope they're right but I suspect it won't be the case. What will the answer be then ?</p>

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RE: Genuinely nervous about the future.

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Come on mate - cheer up - it'll be alreight. It won't be sorted over night - but there are some positives.

 

Stop it, just stop it right there!

You are talking too much common sense and it unnerves me when I have to keep saying I agree with you, which I do.

 

RE: fear enough

Hey. I wasn't saying that any particular theory of management is worth little - just that bon mots like that are bound to be a crude summation. As for building on what is established, of course you have to have regard for what has gone before but I couldn't help ditching the stuff that I reckon doesn't work well (as a manager I mean). We will have to disagree about fear. As I said before, I just have always had contempt for those who try to use an element of fear as a management tool or as part of their management style and I wasn't the only one who didn't respond it either.
I also don't think that there will be many footballers who respond well to the "hairdrier treatment" or a "beasting". Call me modern but we should've moved on from that sort of thing.

 

RE: Genuinely nervous about the future.

Hehe, is that industrial strength ?

 

RE: Genuinely nervous about the future.

Why do you think I'm such a happy guy?