Was Sheffield still Tier One at the weekend or Tier Two? There's literally no point drink-led pubs being open in Tier Two. All the costs of being Covid-secure with none of the custom and zero support from the government. So many famous beer pubs in London, York, Leeds just completely empty at various times of day. Heartbreaking to be honest as it shouldn't be that way.
It was tier 2 so booked in advance track and trace food and drink booked via app. It was just so dead there seemed little point in them opening. Same for old moor. Been in London last couple of days for work. Feels pretty surreal in the day still. I didn’t go out at night but can’t imagine as you say it being worth the time for drink led pubs to open
I’ve added a title now. I also didn’t appreciate how the opening line of the OP asked for a ‘factual debate’, only for it to be all about people ‘flouting the rules and bringing it back from their holiday’.
You're right, but not when used as the main reason for the second ripple. I'm sure you understood what I meant in the context of the whole thread though.
Am I allowed to share the Peter Mandleson story that was told to me by someone in his office many moons again. Visiting a chippie for a photo op Peter was surprised that they were selling Guacamole....the existence of mushy peas had passed him by
Think so too mate. Most are to be fair. It's only certain posters who point blank refuse to discuss fairly and turn it from a discussion to an argument.
Been for a good walk with missus around Langsett today and called off for lunch at Cubley Hall. Cracking pint of Tetley's handpull not had any in donkeys years. Cracking food but only 6 customers (including us) in, got talking to the staff they said if it continues like this they'll possibly have to shut until Christmas at the earliest. Again another establishment I've been to where it was extremely clean, well run and once again totally covid secure. We had to call at Smyth's toys on way back to pick up some Christmas gifts, mayhem.
Fed up of hearing people say that it’s still spreading because people are not using common sense or they are ignoring rules etc. The government’s rules aren’t helping matters. Most their restrictions right from start have been confusing or even if the rules are clear the have failed to state why they are in place. Some rules are just daft. In Tier 3 you can’t go to the pub for a drink, but stick a chip butty in front of yourself in the pub next door and all’s good. do you even have to buy food, rules only state pubs can open if they sell it
The one thing that confuses me most is I'm constantly told that so many people are selfish, doing as they please, and completely flouting the regulations. In reality the amount of people I've seen has been a tiny tiny minority of the total number of people I've seen. People may recall that I kicked off on here about my neighbour having a party during lockdown with his mates and I mentioned one or two large groups that I saw outside. Other than that I'd say most people have been sensible. The only place that I constantly see social distancing being broken (and by constantly I mean 99 out of 100 people) is supermarkets and that is because the selfish supermarkets refused to do anything at all to protect people other than putting some stickers on the floor. They weren't willing to sacrifice ANY shelf space to make their stores safer and we're happy to reap the rewards of a government sanctioned monopoly on retail for months. Between the supermarkets and the government who legislated for their actions they have a lot of blood on their hands. Now why am I against lockdown? Because I feel that without support for the vulnerable it will achieve nothing other than keep some people alive, lonely and alive, for a few extra weeks or months. As harsh as it sounds the cost of doing that just isn't worth it. Instead of forcing businesses to close, businesses that actually have very little to do with the spread, I would be closing physical universities and telling all students they must return home (proper home) and do online courses. I'd offer a partial refund to the students for that. They're old enough to be able to learn from an expert lecturer or professor online. Where possible I'd be utilising the now empty universities, smaller theatres and other large areas such as community centres and churches as schools. As Jamdrop said, if a class as 30 kids in it can't socially distance. It could if it was in a much larger room or split into two classes though. Care homes, I'd have done a massive recruitment drive for carers and I'd offer BIG bonuses to carers prepared to move into care homes even on a month on month off basis where the carer taking over has to be tested before entering the home for their stint. Id also be providing each care home with nice 42 inch TVs and webcam facilities so that family members can interact with the residents. Fir vulnerable people in the community I would be providing a home shopping system. Force Tesco to prioritise delivery for those who need it and not those who just want it. The elderly struggle to shop online so here's an idea, have someone like me sat at a computer and I can call the elderly person and take their order from them and input it onto Tesco's website. It's telesales and is used the world over so could easily be done. It wouldn't be perfect but it would cost a lot less than the current shambles, would be a lot less inconvenience and would actually be an attempt to a. Focus measures on the area of life where transmission is highest rather than the area of land and b. Focus attention on trying to provide the support for the vulnerable that just hasn't existed from day one. So yeah that's why I'm against it because it is focused in entirely the wrong area and imo is more about the world league table than saving lives (and has now become more about Tory divide and concur techniques) and it is a policy that causes the most pain for the least amount of gain.
