Derby sold their allocation for the 24th

Are we the only club that has such a newish stand which isn’t fit to sell out? Bizarre.

 

"Gally has however stated that the club now say the reason is that the stand doesn't have enough exits in it to safely evacuatein an emergency quick enough."

That can't be right. You can't build a Stand with so few exits that you then can't open up huge parts of it!! That would be bonkers, and unfathomable.

 

Not when safety regulations change. Which I believe happened. Take wendy for example. I know leppings lane is lot older. But capacity has been drastically altered. Both lower and upper tiers. Over recent yrs.
Safety has become paramount in all walks of life. And imo has overtaken common sense in some cases. But folk are not prepared to go against any advice. A risk matrix is sometimes based on personal opinion and not facts and figures.

Eg Take standing for example. Relaxing the rules with guidelines has only been established in recent times

The north stand (25 yrs old) has basically 1 main point of entry and egress on the west corner . Although the possibility of use of the east side exits. Could possibly alleviate egress on that problem. I'm sure it's been thought out. Or may be on the agenda.

 

"The North Stand is the most recent addition to Oakwell Stadium and is a large covered singled-tiered seating area with a capacity of 6,257 spectators."

1,400 unsafe seats

 

Yes. We've done that ever since a handful of Reading fans ran onto the pitch a few years ago. Whether that's at the instruction of SYP or health & safety bods I'm not sure.

 

To be fair probably better taping off the 1st few rows. Away fans always used to end up on pitch Bolton when we drew 2-2 must have had 15/20 fans on pitch when they scored there 2nd goal under morais.

 

Not if we go Infront early it won't..

 

Derby we're in the middle of there fans, everyone's stood up. I really don't understand the problems we have with perceived safety at Oakwell compared to other grounds.

 

Re standing Helen it's in the regulations. The fact that they are not enforced by some clubs. As perceived as a waste of time. Barnsleys issues re fines for other misdemeanors have imo made em a little more wary of the consequences that can follow.

A little vague but here is the jist.
1st section covers it as a civil matter.
Club approaches shows differing views.


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• Ever since the introduction of all-seater stadia, many supporters have continued to stand in front of their seats, often for the duration of the game.
• It is widely believed that this practice is illegal. This is not the case, even within Premier League and Championship grounds. The law only provides that these clubs should provide seats for all supporters, not that supporters must sit on them.
• The point is confirmed by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport: ‘At no point has it been argued that the individual spectator commits a criminal offence by standing in a seated area’ (Source: Letter to Football Supporters’ Federation, 2008)
• Standing in seated areas, is, however, contrary to ground regulations. For example, the Football League’s model set of ground regulations states: ‘Nobody may stand in any seating area whilst play is in progress. Persistent standing in seated areas whilst play is in progress is strictly forbidden and may result in ejection from the ground’.
• It is notable that the two rules are contradictory, the first bars all ‘standing’, the second only ‘persistent standing’. In practice, standing to go to the toilet or snack bar and standing at ‘moments of excitement’ is permitted. The boundary between ‘moments of excitement’ and ‘persistent’ is rather grey and open to very wide interpretation.

CRIMINAL AND CIVIL LAW

• There are two types of law, criminal law and civil law.
• Criminal laws are offences against the state (‘illegal acts’), such as smoking in enclosed public places. Police may become involved with enforcing criminal laws.
• Civil laws are contracts between two parties, such as agreements to purchase home insurance.
• The ground regulations of a club (including the ban on persistent standing) form a contract between the supporter and the club. Entering the stadium is a tacit agreement to accept the ground regulations.
• By standing, the supporter is in breach of that contract. This is a civil, not a criminal matter.
• Therefore, a supporter cannot be arrested simply for standing. For that reason, it is not a matter that the police should be involved in, unless (for example) a supporter assaults a steward asking to get people to sit down; that would be a criminal offence.

STANDING IN SEATED AREAS – CLUB APPROACHES

• Since standing is an issue between clubs and supporters, it is up to individual clubs how they deal with it.
• Certain clubs are very strict in attempting to tackle this practice, taking measures such as ejecting people who stand. These practices can create significant public order problems, while there is little evidence of them being effective.
• Other clubs take a more relaxed approach to this, particularly where it is not causing problems. ‘We take a somewhat relaxed view on (standing) provided the individuals are not causing annoyance to other spectators or obstructing other spectators views.’ (Club safety officer in correspondence with FSF member)
• ‘A measure of persistent standing should be tolerated” (Premier League chief executive – Source: FLA board minutes, May 2006)
• Pending more formal revision of the regulations relating to standing, we support sensible approaches such as these as a way of improving the matchday experience for supporters.

I'm all for safe standing areas myself. Cos if standing was allowed Carte blanche. It would lead to massive problems for those of us who wish to sit.

Eg anyone who buys a season ticket at Derby hoping to sit behind the goal nearest the away section are delusional.

 

I understand its in the regulations. I'm just observing what I ve seen at other grounds. I think it's great that we're applying for a standing area for those that wish to do.

 

Presumably by the same logic (which I appreciate is not your logic, @SuperTyke) Wembley is no longer allowed to sell tickets in the top tier.

 

Makes very little sense does it. Let's just say the safety officer wasn't very complimentary about one particular person on the safety advisory group who was dictating things.

 

It's almost 30 years old... Not in any way saying that justifies the restrictions but it's hardly a state of the art brand new stand...

 

I'm sure the club are looking at it, as well as the rest of the ground. We have just got a new lease. It will depend on priorities & feasibility. In the meantime we have just short of 5k away fans & hopefully a home sell out. Not a bad one for the 3rd tier. All I hope for is 3 points & a good day out with my brother & nephew in tarn.

 

Is that the Derby that sang “we will never play you again”

 

It certainly is!

 

I remind my Derby supporting mate of this every time we play them.

 

3 blocks in ponty nearest east stand only single seats left.
Ponty will sell out I think.

 

Our eticketing map looks quite full already. There isn't much showing in the East Stand or Ponty if you're wanting to buy a group of tickets together.

 

Hope we sing something like ‘look at us, playing you again’. Or ‘Guess who’s back, back again, Derby’s back, tell a friend’.