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  1. Gally

    Gally Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    You seem to be ignoring the fact that so do the disabled supporters group?
     
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    Dustani when you find me a disabled supporter who is offended by a disabled group of people having their own for vote for POTY, I'll join you in your campaign to have it abolished.

    I very much doubt you will find anyone, because I think you are dreaming up a problem that doesnt exist.
     
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    After taking my disabled father in law (he has a left leg amputation and is 85..) To a few sporting events, we have to get in the stadium about 2 hours before everyone else so he doesnt get flattened in the crush.So yes Disabled supporters are different to able bodied supporters.
    Hes a huge Redskins,Capitals and Bullets/Wizards fan.
    We have been to Capitals and Wizards games together, And I want to take him to see the Redskins as I know it will be his last time he will ever enter Fedex Field.
    He has supported the Redskins since the 1930s. He may have alzheimers but get him talking Redskins and he remembers it all. I love to hear his stories.
    I know when I take him, he will have a tear in his eye.I just want him to have one last memory before Alzheimers ruins this great and knowledgeable man.

    I take my hat off to all the disabled supporters at Oakwell and I would never begrudge them having there own player of the year.
     
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    QUOTE Clearly those who do vote for the Disabled Supporters POTY do it because they want to. But should they be allowed to do it on the grounds that 'that is what they want.' Should a group be allowed to define itself on the basis that its members are disabled?

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    Yes, why on earth not? There are many groups defined by such terms.

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    Could the continuation of a group who are happy to be defined by their disability make things harder for those who have a disability and who don't want to be thus defined to make their way in society?

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    How exactly? How are disabled supporters sitting together, making it harder for disabled supporters who choose to "get on with it within the mainstream".?

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    The central question which no one has answered is - 'Is there a difference between a disabled supporter and a non-disabled supporter?' If there is no difference then we don't need to have a separate vote.

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    of course they are different in the context of attending a football match. There are areas of the ground, inaccessible to disabled fans (due to health and safety reasons); there are areas of the ground that are preferable (due to comfort, or friendship reasons), and there are areas of the ground that are inaccessible to non disabled people, (due to priority given to those who need to access the service)

    The London Tykes and Wombwell Reds are different inasmuch as they are inclusive, whether disabled or not they all vote together.[/QUOTE]
    Clearly those who do vote for the Disabled Supporters POTY do it because they want to. But should they be allowed to do it on the grounds that 'that is what they want.' Should a group be allowed to define itself on the basis that its members are disabled?


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    No difference at all. The people who vote for the Disabled Supporters POY award include non-disabled people. (parents, carers etc) = inclusive.
    Whilst a quest for total inclusion is admirable, the fact remains that sometimes segregated activities work better. In this instance, SOME of the club's disabled fans choose to access a part of the ground where their needs are better catered for. This happens at no detriment to other disabled fans who choose to sit elsewhere.
    The fact that this group chooses to have its own POY award is no different to any other supporters group, which comes together due to locality or otherwise, doing the same thing.
    The only bone of contention I could see is that the Disabled supporters present their award at the ground, whereas the other groups don't. But then again, that's where they meet, and I'm guessing that the social element of the other supporters groups, dictates when and where they present their awards.

    I really don't understand your objections. I work with disabled people for a living, and I can guarantee that without some segregated activities, there would be thousands more lonely, inactive disabled people. If disabled people choose to come together to do things, then that's their choice. BFC Disabled Supporters having a separate award is no different to Wombwell Reds. London Tykes etc having theirs.
     
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    I used to have a black girlfriend who I dragged along to Oakwell back in the early 90s. She used to say she was going to buy a trophy and have her own black player of the year award but she would be the only one eligible to vote...
     
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    SHUT THE F.UCK UP

    Possibly stupidest thread that's ever been started since BBS started!
     
    judith charmers, May 15, 2014
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    I can only think....

    .... That the OP was extremely bored and with it being the "silly season" just wanted to create a bit of an argument.

    The only other suggestion is that he/she/it is a complete idiot.
     
    barnsley66, May 15, 2014
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    Re: I can only think....

    After the season we have just endured did we have a player of the year? :confused:
     
    arabian_ian, May 15, 2014
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    I <3 the BBS.
     
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    Is that a **** and balls?
     
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    Yes. I read the BBS with my **** and balls out. All day.
     
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    Is there a "Supporters disabled player of the year award?"

    I'd give it Kennedy in recognition of his ability to get a 4k a week contract despite having no right leg.
     
    mansfield_red, May 15, 2014
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    No Dawson, because he has no left leg.

    In fact has anybody worked out how many good legs we field in a match.
    These two alone knock us down to 20

    Maybe if we make one out of two.. :)


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  14. Red

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    er Thanks for the replies.
    I don't think any supporter should be labelled as 'disabled' nor defined by his/her disability.
    My grumble with the Disabled Supporters who vote for their POTY award is that they are doing just that. They are perpetuating the notion that disabled people are happy to be defined by their disability.
    However I accept the problem with my argument is that I may not have the right to criticise them as that is their choice.
    But I wanted to give another personal perspective.
     
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    Because they are a group of friends who watch the match together, and want to have their own POTY.

    The implication of your post is that our disabled supporters are somehow excluded and they're not at all. It's their choice.
     
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  16. Hicksy

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    I work for a disability company and I am as disability friendly as you can get, but you're going way off the scale with this one.

    There is no difference between a disabled and non-disabled BFC fan in relation to their support of the club. None at all. However if they choose to vote for their own player of the year they have that right.

    If for some reason you are suggesting that they should have this right taken away from them in the name of inclusiveness, well get ready. They'll be uproar among them!
     
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  17. Red

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    if that's the case what is the point of labelling these supporters as 'disabled?'
     
    Red-Taff., May 15, 2014
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  18. Hicksy

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    They are not labelled as disabled, they have a disability. Nobody is pointing fingers and saying "you're disabled". They are using a facility designed to be accessible for people who have issues with entering buildings. The East Stand is about as inaccessible as you get for someone with a disability. In the process of using these facilities, they at some point came to the decision, all on their own, of voting for their player of the year.

    I can't believe I am even responding to this crap.
     
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    There is one word in the original post that is wrong and it's the word "we" replace it with the word "they" and the answer is simple..
    Because they want to.


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    If the question was, why is the disabled fan's player of the season award presented at Oakwell with the official award, then that might have been more valid rather than why is there an award.
     
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