Disgraceful stoppage

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  1. Marc

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    Game of opinions fella, but I do not understand how a single person can justify Froch's win tonight
     
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    Groves fought beautifully, but the end was a decent call, maybe 20 seconds early, but Groves was struggling, I think he should have been given a little more time, but some of the comments on this thread are downright silly !!
     
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    He didnt, 2 fighters had a part to play too. But i guess we get those refs too !!
     
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    Sorry buddy, i think you're wrong. Groves had Froch in trouble for 8 rounds, and nothing happened. Froch hit him in the body, twice, and the ref jumped in. The nation's media is calling it a 'controversial' stoppage.
     
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    I fully agree more time should have been given and if the match was ended on points round 7 Groves was great and would have won.. In my opinion till the end of the round should have been given. Not just because i had Froch 9th (heheheh ) but they deserved to have the best chance to let the bout be won in the ring. Froch has been a great champion and be interesting to see his choices next. Groves has the makings too but needs to finish fighters when hes on top. He got the benefit of the doubt in a similar encounter when many said De Gale worn. Nature of the sport im afraid
     
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    I fully agree more time should have been given and if the match was ended on points round 7 Groves was great and would have won.. In my opinion till the end of the round should have been given. Not just because i had Froch 9th (heheheh ) but they deserved to have the best chance to let the bout be won in the ring. Froch has been a great champion and be interesting to see his choices next. Groves has the makings too but needs to finish fighters when hes on top. He got the benefit of the doubt in a similar encounter when many said De Gale worn. Nature of the sport im afraid
     
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    If any of those comments are mine feel free to pick me up on them.
     
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    Watch this again, you are wrong about 2 body shots mate, very wrong
    http://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/3621151/11_medium.gif
     
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    Froch got his arse kicked tonight. I hope him and his fans, recognise that. I'm expecting a rematch, for £££
     
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    The nations media in the interviews after were pretty mater of fact. Agreed the stoppage was a bit early, agreed that groves was on top at the outset, but also agreed that Froc took control and that the expectation was Froch would finish it. Im sure controversial will be banded strongly next few days but wont last long. Im intrested to see ho hard Groves pushed for a rematch
     
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    Mate you dont like Froch and never have and it shows!
    Groves fought fantastically tonight but in the end he could not finish the job. The stoppage was 20 seconds early, but it is better early than too late.
     
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    But me not liking Froch has no relevance to my opinion of the fight, how it went, and the stoppage? So I'm not entirely sure where you're going with that?

    The stoppage came too early and took away George Groves' opportunity. It doesn't mean if the stoppage hadn't have come he would have won, there's ever chance he wouldn't. As there was every chance he would have done.
     
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    FWIW, i have no affiliation to either man. I know very little of boxing, just commenting on what i saw tonight. And what i saw, was one man talk a lot and deliver little. Groves met him in the middle, as he said he would. He knocked him out in the first round, and proceeded to out box him for the entire fight. You only have to listen to the crowd reaction tonight, to get a sense of what happened. Very rare, you hear a crowd begin with cheers, and end with jeers. Groves was robbed of an opportunity to win that fight.
     
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    This is Boxing all over. Derry Mathews was absolutely hammered by Tommy Coyle in Hull in the summer. One punch one the fight for Mathews. Re the Groves / Froch fight, Anyone who thinks the ref was premature and it should have gone on longer i agree.
     
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    Looking at tit that way your right. But Froch was robbed of a knockout win too. The fight was a great one, perhaps best of the year, both deserve credit, Froch didnt go after 6 rounds of defeat, Groves could have survived the last onslaught, we will never know. I dont think a rematch will happen though, not next.
     
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    Saw that Matthews fight - wow.

    Happens regularly, especially in the heavyweights. Look at Fraudley Harrison, swinging a big right hand in Round 11 (I think) vs Sprott (I think) and he ends up with a heavyweight title shot against David Haye. Mental really.

    For the record, Froch did win the fight, just to answer tomfun's question on Froch not winning it. He did, as he survived everything Groves threw at him and then threw enough back to give the referee a big enough reason to step in - not that I agree at all with the referee.
     
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    Re: I hate Froch even more now

    Groves gone up in my estimation but Froch is a true warrior, first 6 groves was better but as the fight wore on Froch was getting more on top although i thought Froch won the 4th round. one judge had groves by 5 going into the last 4 rounds, one judge had groves by 2 and one had groves by one, Froch would defo have won all the last 4, groves looked out on his feet, bad stoppage but Froch would of won by the end of the 12th no doubt, he is a superb final 6 round boxing.
     
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    There's some bitterness on here.

    I have no affinity to either but I applaud both for one of the best fights I've seen in years.

    I had groves four up, the ringside judges had him only one or two.

    Froch was losing. He got a decision in his favour which was probably a bit early. Forget probably it was clearly a premature stoppage.

    But how does he warrant all the bile? Was he expected to get out of the ring and say 'the ref was wrong to stop it, he should have let him carry on and he might have beat me'?

    Froch hasn't gone down in my estimations. I always thought he was quite limited but with a big heart and good chin. To get through those first five rounds was pretty impressive.

    He then stepped up as groves slowed, and caught him a few times before on the ninth giving him a bit of a pasting. No worse than groves had given him, but still.

    Groves didn't look straight back and throw returns like Froch, he looked like he was going to be beaten, but the ref took away froch's opportunity to knock him out. Wasn't froch's fault.

    Groves was excellent tonight but I think he was ten seconds away from a legitimate stoppage and possibly fifteen from being seriously hurt. I don't see how he'd have seen the round out to be honest.

    If anything this controversy helps groves more than Froch. He won the fight, the record books show that, but seems to be being blamed for the refs decision. It's the same in any sport.

    Charlie Adam didn't send Wes brown off today for example.

    If there is a rematch i'd wager it'll be nowhere near as good, Froch knows what he's up against so would approach it better from the outset, groves would recognise he's not going to blast him out early so would conserve something. If it happens it will be cagier and slower early on and therefore right up froch's street. And no spectacle. But I'll watch it just in case.
     
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    I'm not bitter, just frustrated. Boxing is full of poor officiating and scoring, and I honestly believe Groves could have seen out the round given the chance. The scorecards having just one round in it? Should be investigated, it was that one sided.

    I thought Froch's post fight interview smacked of arrogance, when he'd accused Groves pre-fight of acting the same. He's. right, it wasn't his fault the referee stopped the fight, but he just failed to acknowledge how good a fight Groves had fought. He also fought a dirty fight, didn't like the fact that he was losing (not that you'd expect him to), and had the referee in his pocket the whole fight. What about when he hit on the break with three punches? Or when he tried to shoulder Groves in between rounds?

    The tide was turning, but it was only turning slowly. Groves still won the 8th, and if you didn't score it to Groves then there's no denying it was very, very close.

    Froch is a warrior, yes, and always picks up in the championship rounds. But never before has he taken that kind of punishment, so there's nothing to say that he would have definitely taken Groves out, who might have recovered between rounds better than Froch.
     
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    Nail, head, hit.
     

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