Do Barnsley people want a championship club...or even a club

yea i agree, we need to up the crowd more so we dan get behind the boys and move in the right direction and that is up up up, we got the squad to get back to the big time, as it wernt that long ago that we was in the prem, so come on people of barnsley, lets get behind our team and cheer em on to victory, starting with forest tomo, up the tykes

 

Get off yer high horse - I'm a ST holder as well but why do you consider 8,000 home fans for a 2nd tier match a joke? I think its astounding that any club in this division gets more than 8,000 giving the cost and the tripe on show most of the time. The biggest joke of all is that football clubs still think they can milk fans dry of their hard-earned cash. As I've said before - only in England would you get 8,500 watching this standard of football at £28 a throw. Only Celtic in the Scottish premier League can beat our average home attendance. Football is not a necessity in this day and age and the paying public are deserting in droves. It's not long since Leeds were averaging 36,000 for home games but even them daft sods have seen the light. Towns of a similar size to Barnsley include Rotherham, Donny, Chesterfield, Darlington, Preston, Blackpool, Grimsby, Halifax. Most teams in our division are either big city clubs like Wednesday, Leeds, Birmingham, Forest, Hull, Bristol etc or have recently been relegated from the Premier League where fans are sticking with them for a few seasons - the likes of Blackpool, Burnley, Bolton, Blackburn. Its not you who should be embarrassed, its the clubs who have taken football away from the working class sport it always was.

 

Safe standing is the way forward, cheap tickets to bring the fans back and the atmosphere back, Germany shows us the way.

 

Correctomundo - it's the only way.

 

How exactly would paying to rip thousands of seats out of Oakwell and then paying to have the angle of the stand altered then paying to have safety barriers erected result in cheaper tickets?

 

surely the consistently negative comments coming from the club/manager are harmful to say the least. Are you likely to pull in occasional punters or new ones when one is constantly told that the team cannot hope to compete at this level due to finance etc.. Who would invest in a company that propagates such negativity? A team that can beat a club like birmingham 5-0 away from home, a team whos finances are much much greater than ours suggests the complete opposite. We should have beaten Blackburn, with all the resources at their disposal. Teams that have spent much more than us have been relegated over the past few seasons. Of course there are a multiude of factors behind the falling attendances, but this negativity does not help and needs to stop.

 

It wouldn't straight away, I was thinking rail seats like they have in Germany rather than terraces though, Aston Villa just announced their support for a trial standing area today and there isn't really a safety argument against it either so I hoping they come back everywhere (except Hillsborough and Anfield obviously).

 

If they do come back then they have to be priced higher than seating if the cost of installing them is higher than the cost of installing seating which it looks as though it will be given the complexity of the systems they have in Germany. If clubs spend more money installing standing areas than seating areas and then pass the cost on to those using the cheaper to install seats then that is a disgrace in my opinion.

 

As a season ticket holder would you be upset if non-season ticket holders were able to buy matchday tickets for the average same price that you pay with the benefit of a season ticket?

 

or they could just remove the seats in the terrace end and make that a standing area for a start, minimal cost to the club

 

But the pricing of a safe-standing area would not necessarily be intrinsically linked to the cost of implementing it. That's like saying if we built a new West Stand at a higher cost than the East or North then we'd have to charge more to sit there. The club would charge a price for the experience on offer at that particular area of the ground, not necessarily with regard to the how much it cost to develop such an area. I wouldn't particularly mind if a non-season ticket holder paid the same as my average season ticket per match to stand, because if that was deemed cheaper so be it. I'd want to be stand in that area anyway. I think it'd be popular at Oakwell. Our boosted followings to Peterborough and atmosphere created at Charlton and the like shows a section of our support like to stand and sing.

 

I was only taking about standing at the Ponty end anyway, German clubs have rail seats because FIFA/ UEFA games have to be all-seater, so they can go from standing in domestic games to sitting for European games, this would be the option that the Premier League would have to go for if they brought some standing areas back, lower league clubs could just bring back terracing instead, remove the seats and install crush barriers, this is one for the future but there is a bit of a bandwagon going, if attendances continue to fall it could be an option clubs start to look at, it's certainly what a lot of fans would like.

 

Seating areas have a different incline to standing areas and have different thicknesses in the steps of the stand which is why the west stand lower tier was completely ripped up and reconcreted when seats were installed. To rip seating out of the ponty end and make it a standing area would need a huge amount of work and money and i'm not sure it would even be possible as the angle of the stand is dictated by the metalwork holding it up. The cheapest stand to do it in would be the west stand but even that would require all the seats ripping out, the concrete base ripping out, the infill below it ripping out and relevelling at a different angle and then reconcreting over followed by the installation of barriers. Cost an absolute fortune.

 

As I said, if the club spent a fortune installing standing areas for people who WANT standing areas (and therefore feel that the standing areas provide a better experience) only to offer these areas at a cut price and lump the cost onto those who sit then it would be an absolute disgrace.

 

I'd be all for it if those fans wanting the standing areas were prepared to pay for the cost of demolition of one of our stands and installation of a new terraced stand.

 

I think you'll find theres been no negativity from the manager or the board ,in fact quite the opposite.

 

I think that £10 per game would lead to a happier experience for all concerned.

I think that very many season ticket holders would be happy to firstly see a greater crowd secondly appreciate a better atmosphere and thirdly retain their sacred position in the stand

And thus not be too miffed about coughing up early

Whether it would be cost effective for club revenues I do not know

Worth a shot though

 

I keep reading about this £28 but its not for a lot is it ? If youve got a kid or 2 its £28 plus them. Maybe some folk feel giulty about going if the can't afford to take the kids so don't bother themselves etc.Worryingly thats the next generation of support, I bet a lot of us have memories of walking down to the ground with their dads and went on from there.Also how patronising is this 'the unorganised ' **** when will people realise that others hae not got the spare cash end of.