Do you agree with Jack Straw?

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  1. Red

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    No please !!!!!!!!

    There's no such thing as 110%
     
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    That's never Jack Straw!

    He's got grey eye brows
     
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    Well perhaps if they'd put a little more thought into it.
     
  4. Gue

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    It may have some validity but let's not get too carried away...

    We may not have "forced" immigration but we did invite it - the Irish and Afro-Carribeans for a start, the first to build the infrastructure during and after the industrial revolution, the second to help rebuild after the war. The rule of many medieval kings were propped up by Jewish finance but the Jews were the first to be blamed when everything went wrong.

    The NHS wouldn't exist were it not for immigration and the enterprising spirit of Asian businessmen have kept many an Englishman in a job. What about the underground economy that sees cheaper prices for us due to the labour of Eastern Europeans and such like.

    Although I admit some of the moaning from Islamic organisations is getting a bit tiresome (although a lot of these initiatives are started by white, middle-class, sociology graduates with "right-on" views not the immigrant groups themselves) I think it's about time people in this country realised that immigrants, as major contributors to the nation for the past century, are here to stay and, along with that, so are a lot of their culture. If WE don't like it we can always repatriate the lot and see just what sort of a state we'd be living in if it weren't for their contributions...

    "In God we trust" - you're having a laugh aren't ya? Hands up if you've been to church for anything other than a wedding / Christening in the past ten years!
     
  5. Gue

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    Guests in our country? National Service?

    You been in any hospitals lately? Seen how many people Asian businesses employ? Guests? Please, these people contribute just as much as me and thee...

    Regarding National Service - is that tied in with immigrants moving here to serve 'til retirement in the NHS etcetera while a lot of "our own" nurses get trained in British hospitals only to p*ss off somewhere where it don't rain as much at the first opportunity?
     
  6. Jay

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    Why does it bother you so much?
     
  7. La Dent de Crolles

    La Dent de Crolles Well-Known Member

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    Has this not been taken out of context.

    I heard he was refering to when a veiled woman comes to speak to him during his MP surgery time. Also he only asks them to remove the veil if another woman is present.</p>

    I have no problem with him asking that.</p>
     
  8. Gue

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    Just wrag it off.. That'll do it
     
  9. La Dent de Crolles

    La Dent de Crolles Well-Known Member

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    Would you do that to all womens clothing you dont like the look of?

    Are/were you a cannabis user?</p>
     
  10. Gue

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    A doctor hasn't got a chance of takiing their tempurature.
     
  11. Redstar

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    Since when was it up to a council what photo is on a driving license?
     
  12. Gue

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    im with him on this one

    I hate them ,i find them intimidating and bloody scarry to say the least.When we go to countries where they ask us to cover up to go in certain places we do it we dont start saying were not because this is what we do at home,and while im on what about the thing this week where that news reader had a small cross and chain on and some bbc bosses were wondering if it would upset some muslims,well im sorry bit its all going a bit too far now .
     
  13. Gue

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    RE: Guests in our country? National Service?

    We are talking about Asian muslims.
     
  14. Gue

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    The very Asian Muslims I'm on about I think...

    Those who've been resident here for some time now.
     
  15. Gue

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    RE: The very Asian Muslims I'm on about I think...

    Muslim first, British 2nd.
     
  16. aar

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    absolutely
     
  17. Gue

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    That's their decision...

    Providing they contribute like "we" do, obey the law and go about their business without affecting anyone else that's their business.

    Anyway, most Asians / Muslims are more patriotic than I am (being working-class first, a Yorkshireman second, British third and English fourth) - most send Christmas cards and stuff like that and are as bemused as you and I when some white, middle-class sociology graduate decides to ban Christmas trees on "their" behalf.
     
  18. Rosco

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    Very much so...

    What they have to understand is that it may be a cultural/religious thing for them, but it is also a cultural/historical thing for us to mistrust anyone who covers their face.

    People in British history who have covered their face:

    Hangman/Executioner
    Burglars
    Terrorists
    Bank Robbers
    Highwaymen

    Not looking good is it.
     
  19. Ack

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    RE: I think he has the majority of people with him on this one.....

    "Even if they were born here they are still guests, as they see themselves as Muslim first and British second, and a poor second at that."

    Sweeping racist generalisation number 375.
     
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    Personally I don't give a flying fig. Sure if he wants to ask them to remove it that's his choice as he's free to do, and it's their choice to say no. Nobody should be forced to wear it and that is an issue, but if they choose to put one on then that's up to them. Maybe he should try listening to what came out of their mouths, but then he's a politician.
     

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