Does boris and co actually know what they are doing?

Few people outside China have taken it as seriously as we now think...Ursula Von der Leyen has admitted that.

 

No I didn't but it has just been announced on the BBC News......

 

be very careful about what you believe and your choice of words. it only leads to panic and misinformation

you said

"My daughter knows a woman who's son is in the army, they are already being deployed round the country to enforce stay at home orders." now as far as i know they haven't announced that on the BBC news at all this morning, and i very much doubt they will.

they might activate people today, there are 20k military personnel on standby. Defence medical services, hazmat qualified, foot sloggers etc to back fill police jobs guarding downing street for example.

im not sure if people if think the military will be walking around the mean streets of wombwell shouting at civilians for buying 3 bog rolls or not.

 

I know it hasn't been shut; it was black humour relating to how they used to deal with seriously sick patients there.

 

I apologise that went straight over my head! i think its safe to say they wont be recruiting Dr Barton back to work.

 

keep safe.

 

"We have lost half of our normal hospital beds since 1987 and currently have one of the lowest levels of hospital beds per 1,000 people – 2.3 – according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), compared with 12 in South Korea, eight in Russia and Germany, six in France, 4.3 in China, 4.2 in Scotland, 3.8 in Australia, 3.6 in Italy, 2.97 in Spain, 2.96 in Ireland and 2.77 in the US. The UK now has fewer doctors and nurses per head than almost any developed country. It ranks second-worst with only 2.8 doctors and 7.9 nurses per 1,000 population – both well below the average for the 21 countries analysed. The average number of doctors per 1,000 population is 3.6 and the average number of nurses is 10.1. Switzerland has 18 nurses per 1,000 people – more than double the UK."

 

Jeez folks
We are run by politicians. They get expert advice but the advisors answer the questions asked and advise accordingly.

if you don’t understand how government works stop making assumptions and do some research.

 

Boris has f*cked this, make no mistake. Even if we ignore the damage the tories have done to the NHS he knew this was coming a long time ago and pursued a doomed "herd immunity" strategy which flew in the face of evidence from other countries and advice from the WHO only to abandon it a few days later having wasted important time. He lied to the public that we're 4 weeks behind Italy (it's 2 weeks) and unbelievably left it until this week to start seriously pursuing acquiring ventilators when it was obvious to anyone with a hole in their ar5e weeks ago that this would be a key issue in the ability to save lives.

In a week or so people will be dying on the floor of hospitals due to lack of care, and this government will be responsible.

 

thats my point exactly, everybody is boris bashing ( and on somethings rightly so ) and just looking for a half chance to have a go at the tories, but if it was labour that was facing the same problems it would be a different story. this goverment is facing a problem that no other english ( is jeane freeman scots health minister so shouldnt she be making those decisions for the jocks ?) government has had to face everything it does is a step in the dark, and god knows what the right/wrong things are to do. me i've got 7 bog rolls and luckily i'd done a big shop the other week so my cupboards and freezer is full, if all else fails i'll do what hm forces taught me and go native, if i can survive winter Soltau then this should be ok

 

I typed it with my tongue in my cheek

 

Are you in Scotland?

Only reason I ask is that I never think about Nicola Sturgeon, the Scottish parliament, or anything else Scottish.We are facing a world wide catastrophe, so the likelihood of Scotland, or England solving it alone is really remote.

Johnson and Sturgeon and their teams are taking political decisions, because they find themselves in power. If I thought that Sturgeon was looking for a Scottish nationalist solution, or Johnson a pro- Brexit one, when lives are at stake I’d be even more angry than I am now.

Whichever way you look at it, or whatever your politics are, the people in power will be judged on their handling of this situation.

Do I think Corbyn would do any better? Absolutely no chance. Best PM in a crisis we’ve had since Churchill - Gordon Brown.

 

Except for Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Philippines and the other Asian countries. Oh and Rwanda and a load of other African countries. In other words, all those that have faced a pandemic recently.

 

I was mainly referring to western countries who haven't faced pandemics for generations.

 

Yes - although Swine Flu started in Mexico and was the nearest to a pandemic with a mortality rate ~100x less than COVID.

 

i'm in barnsley. the thing that shreds my last nerve is people looking to blame other people instead of all the ultra left wing momentum/corbynistas blaming the tories, press, and calling everyone that are not of their views thick they should look inward at why THEY failed and what they can do to win the peoples trust back, if corbyn and labours policies are that good why did they get the biggest ar5e kicking the labour parties had in 85 years. and i think corbyn did have a few good ideas, but so did stalin and hitler

 

Hmm. So we have to blame someone and a political party who is not in power instead of the current government which has failed from the word go in this crisis.

Tory logic here.

 

snp logic, just blame the english

 

Hmm and where exactly did I mention the SNP?
You really are a very bitter individual with an unhealthy hatred of the Scots.

 

you mention the tories so i mentioned the snp.according to google, responsibility for nhs scotland is a devolved matter and therefore the responsibility rests with the scottish govt and nhs scotland is totally devolved, so i would imagine if this is fact then its rests with wee nippy and jeane freeman. so you really are a very bitter individual with an unhealthy ( try nhs scotland for that ) hatred of the english