Don't particularly like loan players at the best of times

I don't think Rothwell will be staying long. A mate of mine is a Man U fan and he watches every Reserve game and he reckons he's their best player outside the first team squad.

 

If that is true, then why has he at the age of 20, only ever played 3 matches(at Blackpool, where he didnt even complete his loan period)?
I cannot get my head around the fact we have already started bringing in loans and 2 of them for a month !

 

Personally I think it's rather daft to play a pre-season then bring in loan players. We're not going to sign Pearson permanently, but if the long term aim is for him to be here all year then why not get him now?

People will complain no matter what we do though. Sign somebody who turns out crap on a long deal they get grief, sign somebody who turns out good on a short deal they get grief. The club isn't signing players to 3 or 4 year deals right now, season long loans are a viable recruitment policy.

 

Exactly this.

If we've identified them as key parts of our playing squad this year it makes sense to have them in now rather than after the window shuts. Part of the squad, team building and fitness regime.

1 month recurring loans are good business for us in this division. With the salary cap as it is it allows us to send them back at short notice due to injury/poor performance and get replacements.

However, don't look at the positives because you can't have a moan at the club for it can you.

 

Only worrying thing is the lack of attacking options but I expect to see a few more in over this next week or so.

As for loans. I completely disagree. Good bit of business and good to do business early for rather than last minute.

Get real! A club like us cannot ignore the loan system. Butland, Trippier, Shotton, dickinson, McShane, Ramage, Pearson, Nardiello, Chopra, De Silva, Naytanga, O'Sullivan, Waring and many more are all did us a great service. Young talents and/or influential loan players that we could not afford to bring in permanantly.

 

Have you not listened to what the club have been saying about loans ? We are not using loans anymore , we are bringing in young players that we can sell on at a profit.
Of course its a load of ballax like.

 

They are horrible and no forward thinking club should ever go down this route. The player might be crap and we can send them back. But the plan would be that we will have done good business. Only if the person has a few good months for us they will be gone again.

 

The only thing I can think is that if they're 20 or under they don't count towards the wage cap (as I understand it). So could the strategy be to bring these in (who are likely to be first teamers) get rid of players who contribute to the wage cap who LJ doesn't rate, and allow us to offer better contracts to some real top quality players who ordinarily we couldn't afford?

Not saying that's right, and I also appreciate the two (potentially) going to Man Utd don't contribute to the wage cap now, but it may be why we are bringing in loans at this stage

 

Yeah I wondered that too. They haven't wanted him to go out on loan apparently. Obviously eventually agreed to Blackpool but that club was so shambolic he probably begged to get out! I think he is just a short term replacement for Hourihane (similar type of player but a bit more energetic). Maybe LJ is playing it safe in the hope of a big windfall from Stones and/or Holgate

 

Jan Molby - now that WAS a cracking loan signing. Clubs like Barnsley will never attract that calibre of player on a permanent deal so I, for one, am happy to see them come and go and enjoy them while we have them. It's the way it is, why not accept it.

 

I don't think we've got much choice other than 1-month loans with youth players due to youth loan rules

We many have an agreement with Man Utd to automatically renew the loan each month unless something drastic occurs

 

Exactly. In fact after the Walsall home game when Waring was tearing them apart their fans were complaining why they didn't use the loan system effectively. Many clubs use it so we'd be handicapping ourselves by not using it

 

Barnsley fans have been moaning for years that we shouldnt be bringing in loan players, I see no problem with having them, but when the club itself says we are not going to have loans, it looks a bit silly when we sign three before getting players in permanent !

 

I don't think we said we weren't going to have any, we would just use less. Whether we do or not we will wait and see!

 

When Robins left, one of the reasons was that we were having loan players as the core of the team, Cryne made it clear that we were going to have the core of the team as our own players and not use loan signings unless in emergency. Now i may be wrong but we have got a centre forward and 2 central midfielders on loan already. These are not players that have come to warm the bench, they are here to play. Therefore we already are using loans as the core of the side. 3 players already and we will be getting a left back in on loan too..

Myself I think that the loan system is the only way teams like ourselves can afford to get in quality players, but these loans will be in the team at the expence of our own players.

 

Johnson has said the loan system is useful to an extent. Obviously if the core of the team is loans that's no good so we'll just have to hope not many more sign up

 

Personally I think it's a good thing we've got them in early. We're gonna have loans, that's a fact, so we might as well get them in to have some preseason with us rather than wait until the season has started. Makes sense to me.

 

Given that the average age of our team is about 4 and youth players don't count towards the wage cap I reckon we are coming in at about 17p a week in wages at the minute.

 

I was thinking about this, as my little boy has turned 5 and his cousin (also 5) goes to Oakwell on a matchday, as they take kids into the Academy for some footy coaching and other sports games. My little one isn't particularly sporty, but he fancies going along and I think it will do him some good, getting him into playing footy and watching the Reds. I'm now wondering what the chances are of him getting a game for the first team at some point this season...

 

Was going to sign my little one up for one of those mini soccercamps but not sure she's ready to be a first team regular at 3 so might give it a miss.