Efl players refused to have vac

Ah so they aren't denied treatment because of their life choices then, they have to sober up before they get the treatment. That's exactly the same as saying you got ill because you didn't have a vaccine therefore you can go die in a ditch isn't it

 

you asked for evidence of people denied medical care due to other factors. I can’t help that you don’t like the answers as they don’t suit your agenda.

There are countless other examples. Women denied IVF due to BMI or are you suggesting that obese people can’t have kids?

As I said I don’t think care should be rationed but it must be very hard as a professional not being able to treat cancer patients because of people have chosen to not do something that would in all likelihood meant they didn’t need treatment.

 

If you sat there continuing to drink would you get treatment? A some yes or no will suffice.

 

You keep saying you don't think it should be but then go on to make the case for it being. It seems a bit like a racist trying to defend themselves by starting a sentence with 'im not racist but'

Again is the fat thing with IVF not due to the chance of success rather than an ethical decision?


Ps, I don't mean to compare you to a racist or put you into the same category as that.

 

I couldn't tell you. I don't know anything about mental health treatment in all honesty (I'm not even sure if you're talking about mental health at the moment). I would suspect not but wouldn't be surprised if you get different treatment instead

 

Quite often in life there is no black and white but lots of shades of grey. I, like most people, struggle to see this and be objective so just trying to do that.

In terms of IVF no I think fatties can get up the duff just as easily as thinnes or so the streets of Wombwell tell me. Don’t know enough about the actual reasons.

 

Genuine question. Are professionals not being able to treat cancer patients due to all the beds being taken up by unvaccinated people ?

 

Out of interest if a vaccinated person and an unvaccinated person are hospitalised with covid at that point is there a difference in terms of likelihood of outcomes, or is everyone in the same boat when they're already part way up **** creek?

 

It's a bit of a silly question that really as addiction services would be needed in that case not mental health. MH would intervene once addiction under control.

 

Do me a favour…

 

But that's not what you said.

 

the bed capacity is causing delays and cancellations as Whitty pretty much said yesterday.

 

I must have missed that statement

 

I just don't see how, with all the measures put in place - including isolating for x amount of days when contracting the virus - the covid figures were so out of control that we had to essentially have one day with our families at Christmas, whereas the flu just didn't spread last year. The flu virus is still highly contagious and that's why people tend not to go out when they have it, yet it still spreads. Last year it was nowhere to be seen and it is reflective in the suspension of flu programmes (I am close to this with my work).

You mention this year being different, but mask-wearing has been reintroduced (before this apparent 'tsunami' even took off), many people still are working from home (I have worked from home the entire time and it looks like that will continue for a long time yet - this is also the case for a lot of people I know). Also, schools were open this time last year, they reopened in full in September or earlier in some cases? And with the rule of 6, well it is effectively in place in principle, with the nightly 6 o clock fear factor from Witty: assess who is important, otherwise don't bother i.e. don't mix unless you have to. This is having a significant effect all over again, with many bookings being cancelled in hospitality, and city centres becoming very quiet once again. It will be interesting to see if flu cases do rise this year, and how much covid cases go up, given the high number of vaccinations in the country and people once again fearful to go out.

 

Flu’s much less infectious than COVID though. I think the general R rate of flu is about 1.5 in a normal year (i.e. 10 people with flu will infect another 15) whereas even the original wild strain of COVID was around 3-4, the Kent variant higher than that, and I think Delta would be around 7 if no measures were in place to contain it (Omicron appears much higher than that too). So you can see how control measures for COVID can easily push the R rate for flu below one so you don’t see any really growth.

In terms of restrictions I thought the schools were closed this time last year but I don’t have kids so could be misremembering. Hospitality was definitely shut though, at least in South Yorks, as part of the belated ‘firebreak’ lockdown in November and then tier 4 restrictions - I vividly remember moving house at the end of September and then from November to April not being able to check out any of my new locals cos they were all closed! And I don’t doubt that hospitality is taking a massive hit at the moment but there’s still plenty of people out and about - I went out in Shef last Saturday and it was rammed everywhere, so plenty of opportunities for lots of winter nasties to spread around.

You’re right about masks, I stand corrected. I’d guess that compliance with mask wearing is lower this year than last but I couldn’t back that up with anything other than my weekly wander round Tesco.

While lots of us are still working from home (I’m one for them as well - it’s been the one positive outcome of the pandemic for me!), more people are back in workplaces than this time last year. I get to see some of the mobility data through work and the numbers in work this time last year were roughly 50-60% below pre-pandemic baseline, whereas now we’re at about 25-30%.

So all that contributes to driving flu numbers down. Plus most people with flu just stay in bed for a few days hammering Lemsips, we don’t ask them all to traipse down to a testing station for a swab up the nose (thankfully). We largely only test in people who are high risk like care homes, hospital admissions. So there will have been flu last year but just in much smaller numbers.

Not able to comment about suspension of flu programmes really, the only one I know much about is the vaccination programme.

So yep, I think we will see more flu this year than last. Be interesting to see how it behaves in conjunction with COVID though and whether we see simultaneous infections, or if one seems to have ‘priority’ over the other. Omicron might out-compete flu. Who knows?

 

No I never said they did or did not, you said they should and I said but not everybody does?

 

Schools were open Sept until December with bubbles in place and then closed until around Easter (dependant on school, most primary schools went back on 4th Jan for one day). So you're both sort of right in that they were open 'this time last year' (for another day or so depending on when the school broke up for the hols) but they were closed for the majority of the flu season.

 

Don't really get this line of thought. I have a flu jab every year. I don't say "make one that last forever or I'm not having it next year", you just go and get it every year. So if the same happens with covid then so be it, what's the issue? Granted it'd be handy if they could combine the two, but if they don't, then it's no biggy. Each of the 3 jabs I've been in and out in less than a couple of minutes, I can live with that, the alternative is less appealing.

 

Because this is a jab we are having rammed down our faces. It's less than 2 years old.

They have far more experience of knowing what flu is