EU latest. 100bn! Seriously???

Erm, seeing as you are living in Italy, aren't you siding with the UK government over *your* government and its representatives in the EU?

Nobody has stated what the 100bn consists of. It could be our payments for this budget cycle, it could be extras. It is all speculation at the moment, but it is doubtful we will pay that amount.

 

It's all negotiation isn't it?

The most likely scenario is us leaving when we realise the EU is serious about us paying a significant amount with no trade deal in place and then operating under WTO rules. If we are seen to have defaulted on any agreed payments a combination of this and the new trade rules will see our credit rating downgraded. Where we go from there I don't know. Undoubtedly there will be a massive impact on the financial services industry which, whatever you think of it, is a massive economic contributor.

Threatening to set up a low pay tax avoiders tax haven is perhaps the stupidest negotiating tactic that anyone could have come up with and we should be pretty much ashamed of ourselves for doing so. Of course this was going to provoke a reaction

If we have made financial commitments we should honour them. These need to be determined agreed and paid.


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As I understand it, the Euro derivatives market in London is worth £66bn in tax per year to the UK government. Losing access to that will pretty much be game over for the government that allows that to happen. It wouldn't take much for the EU to revoke our access to that from London, and we lose that tax and probably 200,000+ direct and indirect jobs losses.

 

OK sorry. I'll wind my neck in In spite of you stating "Nobody believes for one moment that we will end up paying 100bn Euros" There are plenty of people on various forums I have seen today that actually do and, furthermore, seem to take some pleasure in the fact. I incorrectly labelled you as one of those for which I apologise.
Irrespective of party politics and where we think the 'London centric' Governments (IMHO they are all as bad) will spend the additional monies after we stop paying into the EU coffers, I am genuinely unclear as to how much Barnsley has benefitted from the EU.

The Barnsley I moved to in the late '60s which was an industrious, muck and brass, outgoing and friendly optimistic mining town with the same outlying mining villages around is a far cry from the moribund, depressed 'sink town' it is rapidly becoming. I agree most of that is as a result of the decline in heavy industry and Sheffield suffered the same fate. Much of it again IMHO is the fault of Thatcher who had no clear plan to replace mining with real jobs and use the technical skills that existed in the workforce at that time as well as an ideology of an economy based on the City and services rather than manufacturing .

Nevertheless, Sheffield has regenerated considerably whilst successive Labour councils in Barnsley seem to have been treading water for the past few decades and every plan seems to flounder before it ever gets going (Tuscan Hill village anyone??). Too many false dawns!

I am happy to accept any examples of significant funding that Barnsley has had from the EU that has had any real long term impact on the life experience of the people of Barnsley. It used to be a great place to live and I still see and hear faint echoes of that, particularly in some of the people you meet in the market, the shops, the friendly (sometimes not so friendly) banter and sense of humour that you hear in the stands at Oakwell.

The problem is many in Barnsley are disillusioned, albeit with some justification and that translates into a hatred of all things Conservative almost to the point of paranoia. Not everything they do is necessarily designed to destroy the working man, there would be no logic in that. Whilst I am certainly not sure that the rhetoric coming from Theresa May will translate into effective and productive negotiation I believe that anything she does will be better than letting Corbin, McDonald Abbott etc anywhere near the EU negotiating table.
Still, opinions eh?

 

"Morrissey says Brexit result was 'magnificent'"

http://www.nme.com/news/morrissey-brexit-eu-referendum-magnificent-1725556

 

Meanwhile. There's panic on the streets. Birmingham

 

If it ensure the continued funding for our area then let them pay it,

We need a soft gradual exit otherwose the local economy will collapse. Never forget likeivi or not this area has been proped for 25 years by EU cash

 

Another figure plucked out of the air, probably by some othe drunkard like Junckers. May should tell them that money will not be discussed until the 20+ years are audited.

 

Whilst I agree a 'soft' brexit could well be preferable, the cash you talk about is ours , not the EU's . When you are a net contributor anything spent is essentially from your own contribution . Let us not forget how massive the UK contribution to the EU has been .
In 2015 British people ....you and I and everyone in Barnsley that is...contributed more per head than even German people ...that is a fact that the German Govt recognise .

 

That town you talk of from the 1960's has been destroyed because of an economic agenda and experiment that needed to destroy the very idea of working class power. Take away the biggest source of membership i.e. Heavy industry and you break the unions and shift the political arm of said unions in the form of the Labour Party to the economic right.

Sheffield had more diversification than Barnsley and has found it easier to grow again. Barnsley council has worked hard to bring new investment to the town but its difficult. It's no different to scores of post industrial towns across the country and being a "solid Labour area" has little chance of a sympathetic funding settlement from a Tory Government.

 

Amazing what the Brexiteers didn't tell us isn't it. I'd still like the 'leaders' of said campaign to show us where the extra money for the NHS is....


Oh, hang on a minute, it was never there in the first place was it? ????

I've just thought of the solution however to the money the EU wants from us. Why don't ALL those who voted for Brexit, the cancelling out of protected status for local food producers, the extra money for the NHS, they can dig into their own pockets and pay for it THEMSELVES. ..

After all, THEY wanted it

 

In 2015, our net contribution was 14.7bn, equating to 224 per person. Germans paid 18.1bn, or 221 per person, so you are correct - although they are nearly identical. BTW The Belgians, Dutch, Swedes and Luxembourgish all paid more per capita.

 

That money (whilst I never believed would be used for the NHS) is STILL being paid to the EU is it not.

We haven't left and are still paying.

So even if the slogan on the bus came true it wouldn't until AFTER we had left anyway.

 

Ah another peddling the tired old argument of the extreme left wing with communist ideals! i.e. 'The sole reason for the decline is down to political agenda of smash the working man.'
This follows the pattern of people who, unfortunately don't realise that times/demand change, and although it impacts on people, change is inevitable and has to be accepted. What shouldn't be acceptable is throwing people on the scrapheap and destroying communities and on that we can agree.

Where I believe you are wrong is that it was totally the initial intention of the Thatcher Govt and all Conservative govts to destroy the workers. Thatcher did become obsessed with an ideology and eventually paranoid and determined to smash the unions.

When farming became mechanised, thousands of farm workers became unemployed. The industrial revolution created many jobs and the heavy industry you speak of. In turn much of that has either been replaced by the technical revolution as some have called it or gone to other countries with levels of raw materials and heavy investment we could never match.
As the demand for coal fell and continues to fall it was inevitable that the pits would close. I agree that Thatcher failed the mining communities and did become obsessed with smashing the unions but in the 70s in particular the unions held far to much power (remember British Leyland and 'Red Robbo) who almost single handedly destroyed mass car production in the UK.
The problem is that the Governments particularly Thatcher's are/were short sighted and have no long term plan in place when they make these momentous strategic plans. They were not helped by intransigent union leaders who could not accept that change was, inevitable, dig their heels in and created, as often happens, a 'them and us' situation resulting in workers adopting a 'we are victimised attitude'
I am not so naive as to not think that many politicians are self serving but that applies to ALL parties. Many enter parliament with good intentions but after time they develop a sense of self entitlement and become isolated from the people they represent.

Incidentally people keep referring to all the EU money 'propping up' the area and I am still waiting to hear from someone who can tell me what they were and what they achieved in practical terms to benefit the people of Barnsley. Perhaps you can tell me.

 

It's a club, with a membership fee, just because it takes that fee and builds stuff with it doesn't mean you can have a share of it when you pull your membership.

 

That does make it sound more democratic though.

 

Carlton Industrial Estate, Manvers and Park Springs all had heavy EU investment. Probably about 4-5,000 jobs there alone.

 

Capita pRk

 

Dearne Valley parkway

 

I think you are well under with 4 to 5 k