F1, Vettel, Red Bull

Not really.

 

You should, much more exciting than F1 in my opinion. Each to their own though.

 

If it was a proper race between the two I'd agree.

But webber had his engine turned down, had been given his instruction from team management the same as Vettel had, and was nursing the car home. When Vettel attacked he completely blind sided him. The fact he managed to keep him behind him for as long as he did is testament to Webber's own talent. It'd be a bit like trying to box somebody with a hand tied behind your back.

Vettel is an odious individual, very much like Schumacher before him.

I don't think resorting to blatant racism is required though. (Not directed at you Tomi, more at the west yorkshire individual who apparently is constantly bullied). The fact Vettel and Schumacher are both German is probably not coincidence, but Nico Rosberg is a German driver too. Fair enough half Finnish, but he drives as a German. And he showed a bit of class today by listening to his team, and the class was reciprocated by Hamilton who was very contrite on the podium.

Webber deserves to be completely pissed off. Mainly because Vettel will get away with it, and will do it again if needed.

 

Racist

 

Surely it is a race to see who is the fastest and best. Anything else makes the whole thing pointless.
I'm not a great F1 fan myself but to me Vettle played for himself. And that is how it should be.
C'mon the kraut.

BTW LDRed what is that Red F badge in your avater? I like club badges but I'm not familiar with that one.

 

Fortuna Dusseldorf

 

Cheers LD. I've seen many German teams but never Fortuna.

 

My brother in law is a Fortuna fan, a few of us went over in February to watch them beat Stuttgart. Looking forward to taking in a few games next season too

 

Disagree. You can blame him because he disobeyed his team and stabbed webber in the back. He didnt win by being the best driver, he won by overtaking his team mate who slowed down deliberately because BOTH drivers were told to.

 

In the space of a few posts I would stick up for you and disagree with you. That's how it is with you.

Stick up for: Putting the race winner in the title I wouldn't call a spoiler because it's already aired. A spoiler is when something is pre recorded to be shown for the first time later and it's given away. I don't think you've done anything wrong at all.

Disagree: Vettel did the correct thing and Webber is just a maungy Aussie. What about those who put money on Vettel to win the grand prix? What about the spirit of the sport? The battle for the lead between them both made it more exciting than the average grand prix of driving around for an hour and half with little overtaking.

 

Sounds good mate. BTW Borussia Monchengladbach are my German team.

 

Without winding poor Hemsy up too much, the whole experience of the Bundesliga was fantastic. Cheap tickets, very decent stadium, cheap food/beer, atmosphere was cracking and there were even Stuttgart fans in with the Fortuna fans without any problems. Do you go over to watch Monchengladtobebach often?

 

Hang on. He didnt mention who won in the thread title. It could just as easily have been titled F1, Webber, Red Bull and gone on to say 'cheated out of a win'.

Or F1, Rosberg, Sauber. And gone on to say 'much more of a gentleman than vettell'.

His post says who won but his thread title doesnt say who did.

 

What about those who put money on rosberg for a podium? Or those who put money on webber who would have won had he not been told to slow down and then stabbed in the back

 

He didn't make the call. The on site bosses did in the paddock.

 

Nah sorry mate I've only ever saw them when they have played in Britain. Would love to one day.

Take on board all your points about German Football. Certainly puts our game to shame. By that I mean the Scottish game before anyone has a go at me. Certainly they seem to want to make football a pleasurable experience and cheap at that. We in Britain have a lot to learn.

 

Hmm

It is a bit of a spoiler for those who haven't seen it yet. In the same way that just after a film has aired it doesn't mean it's no longer a spoiler to reveal the key twist.

I always avoid putting the result in the title, especially what with the BBC/Sky thing. It's only fair. Folk logging on here do not necessarily expect the result of a grand prix to be revealed.

There were some unfortunate team orders given today and they backfired.

 

No sympathies

Gambling is killing sport.

 

Re: Hmm

Where does he state who the winner is in his title?

 

[QUOTE="dreamboy3000;] Vettel did the correct thing and Webber is just a maungy Aussie. What about those who put money on Vettel to win the grand prix? What about the spirit of the sport? The battle for the lead between them both made it more exciting than the average grand prix of driving around for an hour and half with little overtaking.[/QUOTE]

People betting on F1 do so, or should do so, in the knowledge that team instructions can and will always have a bearing on results.

Red bull are one of the few teams who let their drivers race. They let them do so today until the last pit. From that point they were asked to rein it in and hold position to ensure they looked after their tyres, protected the engine, saved fuel and guaranteed the one two finish. The race was won by Webber, he'd won fair and square. If he'd not been told to back off he'd have stayed in front anyway.

The problem with your view dreamboy is that it wasn't a level playing field. If they were both racing at the time, and expecting a battle to the finish line, then it would have been a fantastic spectacle, and fair play to whoever crossed the line first.

That wasn't the case though was it? Vettel took advantage of the fact his teammate had been asked to back off and turn his engine down, blind sided him and attacked. Took him a while to pass, but it was inevitable.

Listen to the opinions of the bigwigs at the red bull team if you want any more to show that Vettel was out of order - his race engineer said he'll have some explaining to do, Horner over the radio told him he was being 'silly', and in after race interviews, whilst trying not to say too much, Horner still admitted Vettel went against orders and pissed everybody off.

You're right when you say it's more of a spectacle if they race, but it's only a race if both or all the drivers involved are actually racing.