F1, Vettel, Red Bull

Which forum view is it where that shows up as the thread title? In both threaded and linear modes that I've used today the title of the thread is F1, Vettel, Red bull and only after opening the thread (which you clearly wouldn't do if you were waiting to watch the race surely) do you see him mention Vettel winning

 

Agree.
I can't see him moving to Mercedes and bringing his sponsorship possibility's and not been number one driver.
I believe he's the highest paid too.

 

I'm fully aware of that, pal. I can read.

I never mentioned him giving the result away in the thread title. I asked him to try in future, not to reveal the winner. Which he did, in his thread.


I know you're one for finding an argument where nobody else could, and you know I love you, but I really don't understand why you've quoted me.

Andrew X

 

Because others were criticising him for posting a spoiler about the winner in the title of the thread which he simply didn't do. I assumed (Wrongly) that you too were commenting on the title because I don't see anything wrong with mentioning the winner inside the thread as it doesn't give anything away to anyone unless they actively choose to click on an F1 thread before watching the latest race and frankly it's their own fault if they do that surely?

 

Great point.

But I purposely stay offline so as not to encounter spoilers, and I can imagine not doing that (which some clearly did) and seeing that thread (including the title) and assuming Vettel won.

Then watching the BBC re-run expecting Vettel to win. Which he did.

So my point stands.

I wasn't criticising Phil. I was trying to save him any hassle in future.



*I dodged the temptation to spell hassle in a different way. That's me being good, that is.

 

Don't worry about Phil, he's made of Steele. Oops.

 

His favourite band?

The Kaiser Chiefs.

 

OK let me start by saying I know less than nothing about F1 and have even less interest in it but after listening the story on the news this morning I started to think about the ethics of a supposed 'race' when a driver is told not to win even if he can. I could sort of understand a team telling a driver not to win in the last race if it meant that another team driver won the world title but wasn't this the second race of the season with several more to come? It sounds more like a procession than a race to me and it just makes me think that there is even less point to it than I did before.

 

Stupid 'sport'. Why not put the cars on the podium if the management decide who they want to win.

 

Because Red Bull wanted to look medium term. They will have to maybe use that engine once more, twice more or maybe for another three races. They wanted to make sure they got the full points for the constructors table which makes them the real money.

 

Because Red Bull wanted to look medium term. They will have to maybe use that engine once more, twice more or maybe for another three races. They wanted to make sure they got the full points for the constructors table which makes them the real money.

 

You haven't really answered my question Phil. Tactics are one thing but ordering a driver not to win is something completely different and is at total contrast to the definition of sport - in my opinion of course.

 

They had already battled it over the 3/4 of the race and they were both total to turn it down a bit and run at less engine power.
One did that, and one didn't.

 

It is called a race and should be treated as one so they start the race and the fastest driver wins. Ballacks to the best car, team orders, etc because that just makes a mockery of what is supposed to be a sport. Like I said, I can't stand it and this is just one of the reasons.

 

As far as the team is concerned it is about the team winning, not individual drivers. It is about bringing the cars home intact and it wouldn't be the first time two team mates have taken each other out needlessly. There are no points for crashing. If I was Mark Webber I would have chinned Vettel as soon as he took his helmet off, but that's just me.

Mark intimated on the podium that Vettel is untouchable at Red Bull and he'll get away with it. That might be true of the F1 team, but I think Red Bull the brand and sponsor will be very unhappy being associated with such deception and un-sporting behaviour. That will be true of the wider FIA body, who also have to answer to the corporate world who will not be best pleased that such stuff makes the headlines. Plus it has bollacksed the credibility of the title race as well because it doesn't look like they have a great deal of competition currently. There will be a backlash.

It's a shame because Seb's a good driver and Mark has helped him no end to his championship titles.

 

OK maybe I am showing incredible ignorance to the 'sport' here but if Webber and Vettel drive for the same team than don't the team get the same points regardless of which driver finishes first or second. It all just comes across as very manufactured and a bit farcical; like you said it damages credibility.

 

Vettel came CM away from a wall. He he went into that wall he would have taken Webber off too and Mercedes would have been laughing all the way to the airport.

He also could have hit his teammate down in the first few corners.

He was told not to.

Mercedes told both off there drivers to turn down there engines and to stay in that order. They did that even though the second driver would not have been happy.

 

Sorry, I'm not a fan of F1 but from what I've heard what he did "wrong" was to overtake and win the race?! Well, **** me, imagine trying to win a race! How dare he!

 

They do yes, but fighting for the lead in such close quarters can leave the team with nowt. Particularly when one of the drivers doesn't know the form. Sometimes the cars are allowed to race, the Red Bulls are, but this early in the season it's not in anyone's interest.

The team bosses have been made to look prats, team harmony will be split and irrevocably damaged - each car/driver has it's own team within the team - and that will finish that driver partnership, with Red Bull probably now replacing Webber sooner than they thought, having to pay him off possibly and hire a new driver. Like most stuff in F1, it operates on a knife edge and it will drive a wedge like the Fernando/Lewis situation at McClaren. It gives a team headaches they don't need and hands an advantage to their rivals.

Mark is easily the most universally popular driver in F1 amongst fans, drivers and insiders - has been for years. He's also the drivers union rep, so don't expect back-markers to be in a hurry to get out of Seb's way next few races! From a Red Bull perspective, the incident has taken away any option now to openly ask Mark to support a Vettel title challenge, if anything they are going to be have to be seen exacting complete parity between drivers. Don't sound like much, but that team effort is what wins titles.

 

That's a Brundell-ism if ever I heard one. God I hate skysports.

Cars brush the walls quite often, but you're right Hemselstein, - it is very dangerous if a driver isn't aware he's going to attacked from behind. Stabbed in the back, shafted up the arse or whatever you want to call it.