Felt reasonably confident until I read this

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  1. orsenkaht

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    Do we know how the major legal action against Daniel Stendel went?
     
    orsenkaht, Aug 4, 2020
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    The "independent panel" will have been given scope and some form of terms of reference by the EFL. The independent panel is to judge the decision in light of the rules set out by the EFL. So though the panel aren't the EFL, they are taking a view of EFL rules, EFL actions and within scope that the EFL has set them.

    There may well be a technical loophole somewhere i EFL rules relating to administration because nobody has ever actually tested the regulations and laws before.

    But the fundamental truth remains. Wigan Athletic went into administration because they had insufficient cash to take any other course of action.

    As for what could happen if the panel find against the EFL ruling to deduct Wigan 12 points... there will be higher courts in the sporting arena, and any club could take independent action, not through the structure the EFL currently has for rulings and penalties, but through the law courts.

    That would be hugely costly if they were to lose and its unknown what effect it would have on the EFL and other member clubs (which ever club may have to deal with in terms of transfers and fixtures). The other question to ponder... if the directors of Barnsley took legal action, would the allegedly rich owners use their own money on an action, or would they use BFC cash reserves, which were admitted to be shaky just last week during the month of July?

    My suspicion is it would be the latter, at a time the club really couldn't afford to be throwing millions at legal costs.
     
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  3. orsenkaht

    orsenkaht Well-Known Member

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    Who would you sue?
     
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    Mmmm but then you state “why would the EFL gamble on keeping a side in the championship thathas every chance of not being able to finish the season?”
    Given that the efl have no discretion in the matter there is no question of the efl gambling over anything.
    It is a little misleading :cool:
     
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    I think the big issue with a club like Wigan is that they haven't balanced the books for 20 years now, so their fans are so accustomed to it being the norm, when in reality it should be anything but the norm. They've lived in this bubble for so long they genuinely believe that it's just the way football clubs should be run, without realising that their overspending has finally caught up with them and put them in this position. They're also a bit thick.
     
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    Not embarrassing. Every single club's players would have done the same in those circumstances. Given the season we've had, winning at Brentford in stoppage time would have been enough in itself to celebrate, iregardless of the bigger picture!
     
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    And the trade-off is eight years in the Premier League and a F.A. Cup win! Makes you wonder!
     
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    Evidence?
     
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    Again - do you believe that the appeal panel weren’t given any guidance prior to the appeal?
    A panel of individuals pulled together and expected to find their own way round the relevant regulations etc.
     
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    I'm not 100% certain that their appeal on the grounds of Force Majeure is completely linked to Covid. From what I've read, I have a feeling they've focused on the transfer of ownership as the special case and the effects of Covid on the extended season, transfer window, etc.

    One example being, if the Transfer Window had been open, as it normally would have been when they went in to admin, they could have traded players to avoid administration.
     
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    Their whole appeal is based on ifs and buts.
     
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    If you say so :rolleyes:
     
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    Earlier in this thread there were mentions of why we're being made out to be the villain. Uneducated tweets like this don't help.

     
    Loko the Tyke, Aug 4, 2020
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    I thought the appeal was against the owners actions reading some of the stuff their fans have been putting.

    Still, as you point out they could have traded.

    But again, all 90 other clubs couldn't trade either with player sales....
     
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    Again all the noise is coming from Wigan. Do they have information we don't? They've gone from over confidence to negative sniping very quickly.
     
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    Today is going to be a long day of waiting i think.
     
    Nardiello, Aug 4, 2020
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    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    I think the argument might be that the other 90 clubs didn't have a dodgy transfer of ownership and their owner walk away. Not saying it's a solid defence, but it's one I keep reading.
     
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    I'm baffled by their stance on it. One of the arguments I've seen is that 'everyone overspends so why are we being highlighted'.

    There's a complete lack of awareness or acknowledgement that they've spent beyond their means.
     
    Loko the Tyke, Aug 4, 2020
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    Let's be honest truth is new owner comes in and not been shown the full accounts and Bill's. So he takes charge at wigan and sees the Bill's and runs a mile
     
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