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So let’s get it right, it was definitely European chemicals being in short supply but now it’s because there’s a shortage of lorry drivers?

 

For the hard of thinking. Leaving the EU meant there was a shortage of lorry drivers which in turn meant that we didn't have a sufficient supply of chemicals where needed which is why they allowed the extra dumping of raw sewage.

It's not exactly a hard concept to understand

 

No hard if thinking nip I pointed out facts about lack of chemicals having nothing to do with sewage treatment ergo discharge to watercourses. If you misunderstood me it’s a biological process where bacteria and other organisms break the sewage down in either biological filters( bugs on the media and settlement) or activated sludge with either aeration from surface aerators or diffused air being blown into it.

 

From the relevant environment agency regulatory position statement allowing more sewage disposal...

"You need a permit under the Environmental Permitting (England and Wales) Regulations 2016 to discharge treated effluent from a waste water treatment works (WwTW) to surface water or groundwater. Permits contain conditions that control the quality of the effluent you can discharge.

You may not be able to comply with your permit if you cannot get the chemicals you use to treat the effluent, to reduce phosphorus, you discharge because of:

the UK’s new relationship with the EU

 

The article says the issue started 3 years before Brexit?
Surely the question being raised from them is why was the area selected if it’s a known issue.

 

I couldn't care less whether the dumping of sewage is a brexit benefit or not. They are both really bad examples of the mess we are in due to the Conservative party and it's relationships with cronies and the loonies of the former UKIP.

Time they were gone.

 

I'm still waiting @john coucom

 

Juddy g has gone awfully quiet on the subject too since I posted the environment agencies own RPS clearly listing Brexit as a cause.

 

I’m all ears..

 

I believe that on this particular front, Juddy G actually knows a fair bit more than most of us.
The little bit I know from having worked in design, specifically on one regions sewage works with regards to their Phosphorus schemes, is that the “P dosing” you refer to is usually on a small proportion of smaller sites which are retro fitted with the system to avoid costly additions otherwise. I have no idea if it’s relevant to the affected Sunderland coastline sites, but I do suspect that you are guilty of using a little information to make a lot of assumptions in this particular case potentially.
When I was involved, the licenses were adhered to very stringently to avoid fines from the EA based on regular testing and monitoring and all predictive modelling in design was done based on the %ages of time a year that each particular sewage works was licensed to pollute. The alternative to this leeway was effectively having to build a “Rolls Royce” super works in each location in order to capture the few times a year when extraordinarily high through flows might happen at a works…… sort of like building a pedestrian footbridge across say an out of use railway level crossing, say local to a football ground, of the size to suit the three matches a season when Leeds/Boro/weds were due to visit, based on crowd modelling, i.e. a double width pedestrian bridge to suit 6 half hour time slots a year as opposed to a single one for the other 99.93% of the year. The risk and value is weighed up against the cost in these cases…. which may well include the cost of a potential EA fine say.

What I don’t understand is what has changed in the regulatory environment over the last decade, if anything, as it all seems a little regular the pollution incidents at the moment at certain locations, according to the press….

 

He might know more about the processes involved but he's simply wrong to pretend that Brexit hasn't caused an issue when it's extremely simple. She to Brexit there weren't enough HGV drivers to get the chemical which he even admitted they use to the sites that needed them and therefore the environment agency issues an emergency RPS to allow the dumping of waste into the waterway's of the UK. It really is that simple. Sure it's a small percentage of all our waste but it is factually correct, Brexit caused a shortage of chemicals where needed and this more dumping of untreated sewage

 

Not to be pedantic…. But is the issue specific to the case in question at Sunderland. Genuine question as I don’t know.

 

No, it was a nationwide RPS because we couldn't transfer the chemicals around the country to where they were needed.

 

Knowing what Juddy does for a living, I’d say he’s the expert on these matters.

 

So would I so he was probably right when he said that they use the chemical which it was widely accepted was unable to be transported to sites around the country due to Brexit.

 

It didn't list Brexit directly as the cause, that's disingenuous, you left off the fact that it also states... Covid, and other unavoidable supply chain failures...as reasons that Water companies will not be prosecuted.
You also neglected to mention that the notice you quoted, is not current but was withdrawn in January of 2022.

 

Yes because it was a 2021 issue. Brexit was one of the biggest causes of our driver shortage. That's a widely accepted fact.

 

The pollution of pretty much every river and coastline stretch in this country is a chronic failure of government. This government is very much a brexit government. Started and totally enabled by the worst thing that ever happened to this country.. bozo Johnson, the brexit poster boy. He made corruption the norm, standards in politics suddenly meant nothing, a goverment for corporations, his cronies, banks and shareholders, not for the people. Even the Tories had decent MPs, but these MPs were jettisoned for ones that would sell their morals in a heartbeat. The level of corruption were seeing now and the distinct lack of morals and standards is down to brexit and the government that formed as a result to try and protect the obvious truth coming to light that is was the worst self inflicted decision on a nation in many many years and unfortunatley it will continue until the mainstream media continue to pedal their nonsense.
Crap in rivers unfortunatley is one of the many by products of it.

 

You selectively used the notice with no mention that it was from years gone by and had been withdrawn. You wanted a reply from Juddy G directly concerning that notice...Facts are facts but it's not right to mix and match and use out of date info that you clearly admit now that you knew was a 2021 issue without at least mentioning it.

 

I assumed that was a given considering it's when we had a lorry driver shortage due to Brexit to be honest.