For the judgemental re Ched Evans.

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  1. Marlon

    Marlon Well-Known Member

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    Who or what do you think society is.?
    By your interpretation it sounds like just the judiciary.
    We are all part of society
     
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  2. Red

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    As I understand it what you're saying is that if a convicted rapist is allowed one day to carry on as normal then that is legitimising his crime.
    That is wrong.

    Evans is a rapist - were he to come to Barnsley I would not go to Oakwell as long as he was at the club.
    it's nothing to do with me if he goes to Oldham or elsewhere.
     
    Red-Taff., Jan 4, 2015
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    Yup, responding to Dustani's assertion that CE signing for Oldham is nowt to do with any Barnsley fan (paraphrased).
     
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    What a bizarre post
     
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    It must be incredibly boring, living your life never expressing an opinion on anyone or anything that isn't directly related to you.
     
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    Probably either a very poorly thought out post or a deliberate wind up. Dustani can't be that stupid!

    Otherwise he wouldn't be bothered if a teacher convicted of a sexual crime was re-employed at a school, unless they taught at his children's school.
     
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  7. Whi

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    I like dustani, but mate, I've no idea where to start with this thread.
     
    Whitey, Jan 5, 2015
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  8. icer

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    Wonder if we will get an updated view once he sobers up
     
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    Not quite sure, is he trying to say that because he is playing for a club other than ours we cannot have an opinion on the matter?
    So if he moved in next door to you, because he doesn't live in your house you have no entitlement to an opinion!!!
    This case should be a line in the sand we fans are sick of players taking the mick (well I am) they never fit any given job role they are neither athletes nor entertainers but are when it suits them, we compare them to a dozen jobs but non fit. They are a very very set of privileged individuals, who have a moral code to follow in order to preserve their standing within their clubs / community. I noticed the Oldham guy compared him to an electrician, well I would be very uneasy / peed off working with one or having one work for me. If the people think he's ok let him move in next door and or work with you.
     
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    Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Mine is that he shouldn't be allowed to work in such a publicised occupation whilst his victim has had to leave her old life behind her.

    I wouldn't be allowed to work in my job had I been a convicted rapist, id have to start from the bottom again. Why should Evans be given different treatment because he's a footballer?

    Its football fans making judgement about a footballer for Christ sake.
     
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    Clearly a piss taking post...
     
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    That's just hyperbole.
     
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    Plankton Pete, Jan 5, 2015
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    If he signs for them he will be when we rearrange our game against them. That one and the away one March 15th could be a couple of fiesty crowds.
     
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  15. Red

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    I would object to Evans coming to Barnsley because I wouldn't be happy that the money I paid for my ST to go towards his wages, I wouldn't want my children applauding a convicted rapist or going round with his name on their football shirts.
    If (now seems unlikely) he signs for Oldham it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.
    Had he gone to Malta or announced he was getting another job we wouldn't have threads on this site about him - no one would care.

    Far from not wanting opinions the one thing my O P wanted was to know why people felt so strongly why he shouldn't ever sign for another club.
     
    Red-Taff., Jan 5, 2015
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    I think the wave of posts emanated from us being one of the speculative clubs he was going to
     
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    Then perhaps it would've helped if you'd simply asked that question, rather than taking it upon yourself to tell every one else it has nothing to do with them and they were talking crap. Also, no one has claimed to be guardians of morals. They've simply given their views, both for and against, which they're entitled to do.
     
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  18. Red

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    Thanks.
    Do you have any thoughts and reasons for them on this subject?
     
    Red-Taff., Jan 5, 2015
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  19. JLWBigLil

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    Yes. The man has been found guilty of a disgusting, despicable crime. It is a subject which generates passionate debate. He has been released on licence and placed on the sex offenders list. He's working in a high profile profession, which provides huge financial and social benefits. His victim, who seems to be totally disregarded by some, has had to move away from her family & friends, changing her name on two occasions. She has been subjected to abuse from his family, friends and followers, even having her name illegally published by them.
    In my opinion, he will struggle to find employment as a professional footballer. I think his actions on the fateful night show him to be a thoroughly obnoxious person, irrespective of whether he manages to get his conviction overturned.
    If, in your words, that makes me judgemental and talk a load of crap, so be it.
     
    JLWBigLil, Jan 5, 2015
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    I find it quite odd that you expect people not to have opinions on such an emotive subject.

    I don't want him anywhere near my club. I'd prefer not to have the inevitable circus that would occur if he arrives with an opposing team.

    If Ched Evans is entitled to seek employment, then I am most certainly entitled to be judgemental. I see a man who thinks it is perfectly acceptable to treat women as a piece of meat. I see a man who thinks that it's ok whilst in a "committed loving relationship" to share his mate's conquest. I see a man who has not only humiliated his girlfriend by doing this, but has then paraded her for a second humiliation in his farcical supposedly "profound" televised statement. I see no remorse for dragging his employers through the mud. I see a man who has the nerve to expect them to take him back.

    None of that is a crime, but in my judgemental eyes it makes him a horrible sleazy person I would want nothing to do with. Oh, and he's a convicted rapist. Even if he manages to overturn the conviction, he's still be a horrible sleazy person in my judgemental eyes.

    Do I think he should play football again? If he overturns his conviction. Yes. He would just be a sleazy footballer, and there are plenty of those around. Otherwise. I don't know. He's entitled to try to find employment. No-one is obliged to take him on.

    The only petition I'd sign is if he were being considered by my club. I think fans of other clubs have to make their own minds up.
     
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