Four Wins In Sixteen League Games

It's EIGHT from THIRTY THREE.

And so what?

In Danny we trust. Danny Knows.

 

Easier league?

Maybe if we had kept our Championship players or summat. But we bought to compete in this league and It'll not be easy by a long way.
I certainly never expected it to be easy anyway tbh

 

Little bit niave to have any expectations either way this season. A top half finish would be a decent achievement. We have had a massive turnover of players and invested in the future. We have probably the youngest team in living memory

When Danny took over we truly were on our arse. In terms of progress we are scoring goals have lost one in seven and in Hourihane have clearly discovered a talent


All this expectations ***** lets leave that to the massives of s6

Im enjoying going to Oakwell again and after the last few years thats a big leap forwards

 

Have Cardiff got a totally new side?

 

Me too. Apart from last Saturday/

 

Still enjoyed last 10 minutes more than any match last season!

 

Have to admit I was back in my car up by the Outpost at that point.

 

Incidentally, we're unbeaten away from home this season. Okay 1 win and 3 draws but if we can keep consistently picking up points away from home, then all we need is to gain a bit more consistency at home and we'll be in and around the top 6 for the majority of the season.

I don't believe in stats like the one you've posted as 9 of those games were last season, with a completely different squad of players and against completely different opponents. That said 2 wins in 7 isn't much better either for a team tipped to be one of the front runners. The fact we've only been defeated twice in 7 though says to me that I think Danny has laid the foundations of a good side, which is probably still gelling together and may be missing the odd piece (the right side looks decisively weak to me).

It's still early days, I wouldn't worry too much just yet. I'd at least wait while 5pm today.

 

I always look at these things with facts and in context. By that I mean let's measure the league season so far under Danny. We have won two lost two drawn two. With a squad that hasn't played together only 2-3 first team players playing from last season and a berry very young squad. We have Treacy, Bailey and Turnbull I.e. Our experienced players, injured. Unbeaten away and mixed home form. This league is tough and uncompromising and we have build an inexperienced team by intent. As such we expect our performances to improve. I will judge at Christmas if we are seeing progression and fulfilling the ambition to challenge for a play-off, or better a promotion slot. Right now I'm ok. The alternative approach though is to position facts into the context of negativity, for what purpose i don't know.

 

A lot depends on how you view "success" and "ambition".

To me, success this season will be a top half finish. We have a new side mainly composed of players from lower league clubs, who are finding their feet at a higher level. They are learning to play the system DW wants and how to handle it.

Ambition is to build a successful side that will sustain us for a few seasons, not one we have to change every year. Of course players will come and go, but the core should remain.

This season we consolidate, get the basis of a team, and push on from there.

Ambition is also about the non-playing side. Let's build the commercial side to help finance the playing side. Let's attract new fans by making the ground more attractive, and bring back fans disallusioned with the last few seasons.

Just because my definitions of success and ambition are different, doesn't make me wrong.

 

My gripe is that others complain purely and simply if you describe what you believe you've seen.

If we were rubbish then it must be said.

If we were great then praise them.

It is impossible to extrapolate what's going to happen from what has already happened this season.

Some will think the portents are good and can post as such.

Others won't but should be allowed to post their views too.

FFS we've just suffered a referendum somewhere or other, where opposing views have been "healthily" aired.

Surely we can do so too here without getting personal about it.

 

Surely youve got to separate last season versus this season.

Both are very different in terms of what the club was/is doing ie. last season was a high risk loan stratgey aimed at survival, it didnt work. This season is a much longer term plan to build for a better future. Remains to be seen if this is working, but we must give it time.

 

"My gripe is that others complain purely and simply if you describe what you believe you've seen."

A bit like you when Jay praised us after the Gillingham game

 

Debate is about a balanced view. That comes from opposing contributions. I'm not criticising the right for people to offer a view in fact the opposite. My point as stated is I look at facts and context. So do others but both sides of a view will manipulate the facts to suit their view. People who unequivocally support and defend the team through thick or thin have been called happy clappers, what do we call those who do the opposite Unhappy Flappers? Getting personal isn't a good thing and definitely steps over the line. This debate isn't about what they are seeing, it's about what they want to see and the gap between the two.

 

Conan, I get your point. You want us to be better - don't think anyone can argue or will argue with that.

But what pisses folk off is that you come across as a smug f.cker with a better than thou attitude. You don't debate, you throw facts that suit yer mood and then start getting the monk on when someone challenges it.

How can you include last season in this when you out of all hated the side we had last year? Yeah Danny brought some lads in in January but the club was f.cked by that time - he never had a chance. Now he does.

I think we should finish in the top 6 this season considering the money we spent in the Summer. I'll be disappointed if we don't but I won't be devastated and talking about minimum requirements. I'm actually just looking forward to watching this team for the next two/three years because it's going to be good. And no stats that you can throw about will make me change my mind.

 

We were ***** last season but that's forgotten as far as I'm concerned the rot had already set in.

I said at the start on here that I expect us to be mid table around Christmas time with lots of inconsistent results & that we'll pick up in the second half of the season & be pushing for the play offs as the young lads develop together & I still think that's what will happen.

Interestingly a mate went to his first game of the season last Saturday & said that even though we were battered he enjoyed watching the football we tried to play & that it was an improvement on last years garbage.

It'll take time but we'll come good

 

I do not believe that I am an apologist. Nor do I believe that I offer an excuse for everything. I am, however, a realist and I do try to engage my brain before I comment. For your benefit, I present my thought process.

We have changed almost all of the first team squad since last season. There has also been a change in policy to give youth a chance, a change that by definition means that success will be delayed until that youth develops. The start of the process of acquiring players was delayed because of the delay in selling COG. His salary was too high for us to sustain in the lower league and we did not have the funds available to go shopping until he was sold. This delay meant that some potential targets had signed for other clubs and consequently, we were unable to permanently fill all the vacancies in our team that we needed to fill by the end of the transfer window. These will have to be filled with loanees, but these are temporary additions. They will either leave in January 2015 or at the end of the season, meaning the rebuilding process will inevitably extend beyond January. Danny Wilson has made it clear that he needs 3 more players. That will take our loan players to a maximum of 5, so DW may actually believe he needs more than 3 more players, but is unwilling to make pointless statements that create expectations that are unattainable. Personally, I think that we are 4 players short of a team that is capable of winning promotion and then being competitive in the higher division. These players could come from the continued development of the players already at the club, or they could come from outside. In either case, we need patience because teams cannot be built in a day. The manager has to build a core and then add the rest to this sound foundation.

The team will not be promoted this season, and indeed it would be wrong if it were. The last time that we were promoted to the higher division, the team was not ready because it did not have a core of players capable of holding their own in the higher division. The result was that the team was unable to get a foothold in that division and 7 years of struggle were to follow. Compare that to our previous promotion to the second tier, when most of the players were ready for the step up, and we were able to consolidate.

There is more to supporting a football team than mindlessly criticising when things do not go as well as you had hoped. Supporting means that you give support not only through the good times, when supporting is easy, but also through the hard times when supporting is difficult. Those of us who call for patience see the logic in this and are prepared to wait for success if we are confident that the long term policies are right and that the people running the club are competent.

 

That's a fair and balanced assessment but the original point of the thread was a valid one to which I was not aware.
Whether people view the post as criticism or just stating facts is down to interpretation.
Are the long term policies of the club right?
Are the people running the club competent?
Two points that no doubt people will have differing views on hence the use of this board for debate.
The trouble is certain individuals who disagree resort to petty name calling and abuse rather than reasoned debate.
Calling someone a coward as stated on one of the posts is absolute disgraceful and shold play no part in debates on this forum.

 

The OP wasn't offering a valid point at all. Because Danny hasn't been in charge for just 16 league games. Sorry, but if you can't get the subject right, I'm going to struggle to take the opinions within it seriously.

Funny thing is, had he said 8 wins in 33, as is the case, his point may have held more resonance. But he didn't. And, I like Conan. But he dropped a bollock with this un.


And, why not mention the 200 or so other league games he took charge of, in previous seasons? As I say, I don't get the point of it. Just read like another moan for moaning's sake. Which he's entitled to do.

 

Yet it's perfectly OK for the likes of you and Moanman to launch personal, scurrilous, and yes, cowardly attacks against players, management, directors on an all too regular basis?

Get over yourself, you precious get...