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Re: So why are stage coach barnsley refusing to pay back pay?

When you think Stagecoach will be paying these people travel expenses, wages overtime at their own depots to cover while they're away we can see Stagecoach will spend anything it costs to break us rather than look after us. This week all overtime at Barnsley has been stopped while drivers have been brought in who are surplus at their own depots, to cover work. These aren't strikebreakers because it's in our contract that if your own depot is manned up and you are spare you can be moved around to where work is to be covered. this week we have drivers from rawmarsh and ecclesfield who are getting paid an hour each way, and from chesterfield who may be getting abit more. so in a nutshell they will "spend a thousan pounds to save a tenner"

 

Re: So why are stage coach barnsley refusing to pay back pay?

The latest news is this, the strikebreakers have already been brought to Barnsley ready for tomorrow. A large number are being fed,watered and bunked down at Ardsley House. They are being paid £150 a day. Add to this the lost revenues as a result of the £1 adult fare :-
Hoyland-Barnsley £1 instead of £2:30
Staincross-Barnsley £1instead of £2
Athersley,Dodworth £1 instead of £1:70

etc etc you can see the lengths Stagecoach are prepared to go to to keep us where they want us.

 

Re: So why are stage coach barnsley refusing to pay back pay?

tell thi what come in tarn when't witch dees an tell us its disgracefull,in front of lads thats lost more fighting for the town and communities in the open not hiding behind a keyboard belittling the town and the majority of its inhabitants. i'll not be hiding i'll be leading the cheers when the evil old bag gets her comeuppance.and i'm sure she'll get a lovely reception from some good friends of mine thats gone before her.

 

Re: So why are stage coach barnsley refusing to pay back pay?

It's embarrassing is it, remembering some one who tore the heart and finances out of a town that had plenty of both, and despising her for doing it, it's a part of our local history. Is it embarrassing to remember other people who have treated their fellow human beings with such disregard, history is littered with them and they are just as despised, and rightly so. Try telling my daughter in law that it's embarressing for her to remember as a child, queuing up for second hand clothes and food during a strike that was created for nothing more than political revenge, by a spiteful woman who wanted us to return to the victorian times ( her words ) and to carry on hating her. She despised the working class and the progress that had been made in bettering our lot in life, mainly by the unions and the labour party, since the second world war. There is talk again about the unequal distribution of wealth in this country, well my friend what we are seeing now are the results of Thatcherism, the redistribution of wealth back to those at the top was the top of her agenda when she gained power. As for her being a frail old lady now, well she didn't give a flying **** about the frail, elderly, infirm, disadvantaged people that suffered under her time in power so why should we have any sympathy for her now.

 

Re: So why are stage coach barnsley refusing to pay back pay?

What's next Marlon, offering me out after school? Some people are literally too blinkered or stupid to argue with, and you certainly fall into that bracket.

 

Re: So why are stage coach barnsley refusing to pay back pay?

I'm not arguing that Thatcher's policies didn't have a dreadful impact on many families and communities in and around town. I grew up in a pit village just outside Barnsley and I saw at first hand the effects her approach to the pits had on our community.

What I am arguing is that still fixating on her more than twenty years later, and blaming her for your own and/or the town's ills, particularly when you've just had the supposed benefit of thirteen years of Labour which should have helped redress the balance somewhat, is embarrassing. It does neither you nor the town any good and ultimately holds us all back, as instead of looking forward and trying to find attitudes and ideas to re-energise the town and ourselves, we instead waste time looking backwards trying to find ways to blame Mrs Thatch for all our current problems. Cut it loose.

I'm certainly not asking you to feel sympathy for her current plight, how you feel about he,r healthy or otherwise, is entirely up to you. And while I'm not suggesting that you've done this, wishing death and suffering on a frail old lady, regardless of what her politics or policies were in the distant past when PM, is pathetic.

 

Re: So why are stage coach barnsley refusing to pay back pay?

Like I said previously, New Labour bears no resemblence to a Labour party that cared about the rights of the people it was created for. This town IS still suffering from her policies whether you find it embarrassing or not, New Labour only tinkered round the edges and the Con Dems are now renewing their attack on poor areas like ours, you have seen what they are doing with the buisiness rates haven't you. Poor areas like ours ( and a lot of others ) will find it difficult to re-energise without the political will of parliament and an influx of cash to back up that will, without money to work with local council's of any political shade will find it near on impossible to regenerate any town, look at the problems they had with funding the new uni, look how the market regeneration has floundered and had to be re-thought through funding issues, but it's all too easy to blame the local council, thats just what the politicians want, don't get me wrong our council have done many things wrong, but to say remembering the havoc that Thatcher caused in this area is embarrasing and holding us back is just plain wrong. On a personal note despite Thatcher, not because of her I have had a hard working fruitfull life and luckily I have no so called ''ills''. Wishing death on a ''frail old lady '' is not something I want,no, mine is even more hatefull than that, I want her to live for a Thousand years and suffer every day as much as people in mining areas have suffered, like I said earlier she didn't give a toss for the old, frail, needy and disadvantaged when in power, and I bet she still thinks the same now, so why should we care for her now. Her policies have damaged the industrial heart land of this country even more than Hitler could have imagined. Oh and by the way is it embarrasing to remember what he did to our country. No it's our history whether you like it or not. Yours, a pathetic old man, Good Night.

 

Re: So why are stage coach barnsley refusing to pay back pay?

Just got on a scab bus. You can tell the driver wasn't from barnsley. Completly different attitude and was very smartly dressed. There isn't more at the time of writing than a dozen pickets. About half of which are more intent on picketing the back door of copelands.

This time though it appears that they have been asked to keep away from the doors into the station this time.
Can't see much in the way of support from the few people I spoke to more ****ed off.

 

Re: So why are stage coach barnsley refusing to pay back pay?

most of the buses i've seen this morning have been driven by "men" in white shirts, now white shirts are management dress but i don't think they can all be managers, more likely "ordinary Drivers" having the shirts provided for them.

 

Mother-in-law travelled free-coz driver couldn't operate ticket machine

It must be costing them a fortune.

 

Re: Mother-in-law travelled free-coz driver couldn't operate ticket machine

Not as much as copelands will be making with those back door sales!

Has the picket line grown or is it still half a dozen die hards

 

Re: Mother-in-law travelled free-coz driver couldn't operate ticket machine

same as i said 150 quid a day put up in hotel flat £1 fare that's stagecoach all over do anything to crush their staff.

 

Re: So why are stage coach barnsley refusing to pay back pay?

yeah and you fall right into that catergory.when someone comes up with a valued argument you either back track saying thats not what you meant or try to put your own words words into their argument. .your posts are full of these instances. your pathetic

i don't apologise for wanting thatcher to suffer or feel any shame in my celebrations when she does.
i'm not alone or ashamed of this as when that day comes there'll be a big contigent of us who promised this is what we'd do and boy will we.
as far as offering you out well there you go again with your fantasy posts.

 

Re: So why are stage coach barnsley refusing to pay back pay?

Well that's 2 of the 4 days strikes completed. All who were involved very pleased with the turnout, much better than expected after 2 years agoAdmitted there were buses running but at what price, a hell of a lot to ****coach beleive me. One other thing most strikers were pleased with th e support of the bus using public of Barnsley NOT.

 

Elaborate that doesnt make much sense to me.

 

Re: So why are stage coach barnsley refusing to pay back pay?

So go on then why didn't the barnsley public support you?

 

Re: So why are stage coach barnsley refusing to pay back pay?

I think many many of the local drivers are recognisable to the Barnsley public the same as many many regular passengers are recognisable to drivers, the usual stagecoach uniform is blue shirts blue trousers and blue jacket or when its cold fleeces with dark and light blue and red colours. The Chronicle carried a story and quoted Paul Lynch as refusing how much the scab drivers were being paid. Add to this it aws common knowledge there was astrike situation. So instead of, wherever possible, catching alternatives, Tate's First Bus etc, there they were, sat on there buses going round the turning circle, pointing and laughing at the strikers and of course taking advantage of the special fares. Just to let them know we won't forget and the next time they're running for their bus its odds on, so long the bus is on time, they won't catch it

 

Re: So why are stage coach barnsley refusing to pay back pay?

Well I think £9.35 an hour is peanuts for the work a bus driver does. They are responsible for keeping upto 75 people safe on our conjested roads. The stress levels are also very high as anyone who has driven in Town and City traffic will tell you, an lets not forget that modern bus driver do not one but two jobs. They are both driver and conductor. They also have to deal with joe public and drunks, and are often the victims of violence, rudeness and foul language.

You also made a comment about most nurses only get around £10 and hour I don't know where you got that figure from but you must mean care assistants who have a L3 NVQ? My Wife, Son, Sister in Law, Ex-Daughter in Law and his new partner are all nursing and they all get more than £10.

 

Re: So why are stage coach barnsley refusing to pay back pay?

Ever considered that people in general just don't support your strike action and the reasons behind it? You are asking for payrises and months of back pay when a lot of your working customers themselves are worried about job security money worries and a lot are no doubt wondering what a payrise looks like!
Do you honestly blame people for taking advantage of the special fares when for a lot of people the only alternative to get to work is a taxi.

As I have said before £9.35 is a fair offer for what barnsley stagecoach do. You want parity with arriva as you have stated then get out of bed and start services from five am up until midnight.
Want parity with first. Do the same.

Instead of abusing drivers from chesterfield etc perhaps you should spend some time sharing best practices as I think for some of the insular drivers in barnsley it would be an eye opener for many.

People in all jobs these days seem to get abuse not just bus drivers.

As for my comments on nurses I believe I said little over ten pounds an hour. Bird I am seeing is a nurse she got a better wage temping under NHS professionals than she does as a staff nurse. A lot of her friends are in the same boat. My former bird her sister has been nursing ten years. She has only just got to the stage where she doesn't have to do sixty hours to make a living.

 

If you really want to lose the support of the public just carry on as you are - well you seem to be totally adept at this already it must be said. Im not sure how pointing blame at what i must imagine was a very small percentage of users. Although after reading Whiteys thread where he said he was getting abused by the people striking is it any wonder.

Oh & bus drivers do that anyway from my experience.