Thats correct, I don't think Tyson understands what we are trying to say, wastage and lack of profit pre privatisation is not the issue, in those days it was run by the country for the benifit of the country. Now it's run by foreign profiteers for the benifit of shareholders and greedy directors. We didn't know what fuel poverty was back then. Like I said earlier, once Thatcher started her experiment, except for a priviledged few, we were on the road to ruin.