Get Boosted Now & ignore the last week.

It's all or nothing with some people isn't it. They do offer some protection against transmission, but this wanes significantly after 3 months.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y

 

Not sure a bunch of right wing racists represent the whole electorate. Indeed all polls show overwhelming support for the suggested public health measures.

 

We are lucky we have someone like Raab around who knows how many people are in hospital.



83 MPs will vote against Plan B today including one brave Labour MP. Anyone on here see their MP on the list?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/full-list-the-plan-b-tory-rebels

 

This thread is a melting pot of everything in society right now. The world has become an ugly place. It was said right at the start that the cure would be worse than the virus and its certainly playing out that way.

Just think of some of the stuff that's happened in almost 2 years. We have been locked down to prevent you even accessing the outdoors, controlling access of where and whom we can meet with friends and family, prevented from even going outdoors in the fresh air unless it was within an exercise loop (sounds like prison), only allowed in places if we bought 'a substantial meal', stood outside homes in the street banging pots and pans and rocked up for experimental jabs with new technology that haven't delivered on the hope that they will stop the spread of the virus and told they are not enough and you now need more of them to take us to the next variant, when it will all go around the loop once again with economy collapses, industries decimated and livelihoods lost.

All this done in the name of 'protecting the NHS' and we not having anyone die 'with' COVID (as sad as that is) yet we have many more deaths from cancer, heart disease, suicide etc. All the while the net is closing in tighter and tighter, we are losing more and more freedoms and people want more and more restrictions in place as they have been told it will help control the spread and save the NHS and it will be better in a few months - they keep dangling the carrot only to take it away and replace with the stick for the the next control measures.

The same people saying they would be on holiday now if it wasn't for all the testing are actually wanting to support access passports and stricter measures. What they seem to be missing is Covid is the thin edge of the wedge here - as we have said with all the other measures they have iteratively brought in and got worse and worse. First, it will be covid then they will bolt on other things into the pass - 100% sure of this - and at the end of the day a covid pass will do very little to stop Covid spreading. This new omicron variant is so transmissible pretty much everyone is going to get it - jabbed or not. Not only that but every time you go for these jabs whilst they are not aspirating you are risking accidental IV injection and blood clots (AZ) or myocarditis (mRNA). The risk is low but it's there and the more times you spin the wheel the risk increases.

All this tech and no focus on actually getting people healthy - improving vitamin D levels and promoting and rewarding good health etc. Its almost like they are not interested in people's actual health - they just want to see the numbers of jabs administered.

And what are the options for people that have had bad reactions to jabs 1 or 2 but have been shut down from speaking out and can't get any medical assistance or help and wouldn't get an exemption from further jabs? Do we exclude them from society because their access pass expires or force them to risk the next one actually killing them?

The whole thing is a massive mess that has broken society. Divide and conquer? Mass formation? A lot of stuff suggests it is, and they won't stop until they get what they want which is a 100% vaccination rate. Then what - when covid still rages and people are still dying? Oh, we need this new level 2 pass now with the next-gen vaccine. All the time our lives are dripping away stuck in this endless loop.

Live is so short and everyone is stuck on hold watching the telly, our leaders and 'experts' and the numbers of covid cases and what we can and can't do next. In another 5 years' time when this is still going on, the NHS is still underfunded and broken, we cant go on holiday or drive outside your own area because of the carbon taxes linked to our passports cos we still drive a petrol or diesel car folk might raise what we have given up (just an assumption that bit). Who knows if this will come true but just think on next time you are clapping thru all these restrictions on your own freedom.

Bad times. I keep trying to ignore the whole thing and just crack on - and things do get better but there is always something that drags you back in and when you feel its not right it make you want to speak out. Frustrating. I think the only way out would be removing all forms of social media. I don't really watch TV anymore anyway but even if we did this everytime we go out, go to the match we are going to start getting asked to show our papers and proof of this and that. No way to ignore it.

 

Polls usually show the complete opposite of what's happening in real life. It's like when You Gov do regular polls where you get like 70% of people voting that mask wearing should be mandatory, but when you're out and about mask wearing is like 15% of people.

 

Ok I will accept your anecdotal evidence from your wife and colleagues over the evidence that suggests their reliability is much higher than that.

As for the rest, I don't have time for whataboutery. Given im one of those pesky lefties, I think you will know my standpoint but I'm not keen on derailing a thread. Do away with LFTs and introduce covid passports for hospitals and let's see what happens shall we?

As I've said we will have to agree to disagree. I will get a vaccine boost again whenever I am eligible for it and i will continue to wear a mask and test myself when necessary.

You are probably wasting your energy arguing with someone like me who is doing all they can to mitigate risk right now, given i have a high risk pregnant partner at home with me.

 

They really don’t. they are usually accurate within a 5% margin. You must hang round some dodgy areas. I was in a couple of supermarkets yesterday and compliance with 90% + in both

 

I don’t think either lateral flow tests or vaccine passports will be especially effective.

At the same time if we can do anything that helps I don’t see a problem.

Nothing in life is 100% effective it doesn’t mean you don’t balance risk and take any practical measures to avoid risk. Very basic public health analysis

 

I was on about before masks became mandatory. You'd always see polls in the press from the likes of You Gov where three quarters of people want mandatory mask wearing brought back, but out and about hardly anyone would be wearing one. If the polls were accurate the big majority result in polls would be wearing them without the need for them to be made mandatory.

 

It depends which settings you're putting yourself in. I'm mainly going to shops and mask wearing is well above 70% in the ones I'm going to. There will be avoidance of some settings at the moment, particularly from those concerned enough to agree with mask wearing.

 

I agree, but what we disagree on is whether it is proportional and justifiable to limit people's access to things they enjoy for a passport that reduces transmission by 60%. If it were 95% perhaps I would agree more but I do not think 60% is a high enough figure to restrict people with when a test is scientifically more accurate than 60% (regardless of the anecdotal evidence).

Anyway, we are going around in circles...

 

The polls usually refer to Govt making these things mandatory. We are now listening to internet conspiracy theories because our govt has been unremittingly ***** in terms of offering any leadership.

 

The problem I have with LFTs as proof for getting in somewhere is the potential for abuse. They are fine for responsible people who are committed to using them.

 

Just the ticket for Govt that controls and has the loyalty of the the majority of tv/press/media.

 

There will always be the odd one but I think that is minimal when you couple it with the people who would do that actually having Covid at the same time.

If they are bothering to get tests then the likelihood is they will use them. If it comes back positive Id like to think only a very small number would ignore this. If we then take into account people being vaccinated (which I must stress I am totally for), then the risk is further reduced. What im against is it (vaccinations) being a mandatory requirement.

 

I can assure you it is correct, through my day job I am party to the facts and figures for my Borough... at our last briefing in November we had around 90% vaccinated to one degree or another out of over a quarter of a million people. We had 50 people in hospital, with a 50/50 split between vaccinated and unvaccinated, of the 12 high dependency cases only 3 were from vaccinated cases.
There's no spin or agenda there, these are the cold figures, purely that.

 

Miriam Cates - Penistone and Stocksbridge

 

I still think we should never have sold Brad Potts, even though Jacob Brown turned out to be a decent replacement.

 

What on earth are you talking about?
Just booked my booster jab for Friday. I'll let you know if I start attracting spoons or getting stuck to the fridge come the weekend.

 

Agreed.