Good old Starmer

He’s got rid of dissenting voices in all key decision making positions and returned to parachuting right wing candidates into vacant MP candidate posts , in the case of Birmingham the Chief Executive are even choosing councillors. My constituency is a case in point , Simon Lightwood forced on us against the selection rules

 

The return of wanting a socialist government, one that sees a stronger position for the momentum movement and also the socialist campaign group. I want a government that represents all people fairly, but I know that I don’t live in a fairytale world. If the Labour Party return to the very extreme left then they will be out of power for a very very long time and we will be left with the country more divided than it is now. Is Starmer the right man, I don’t know, but at least I am prepared to give him a go rather than another 5 years of corruption, lies and cronyism.

 

99% of all politicians are self 1st, party 2nd then we, the electorate are trailing in last place, they U turn on policys and lie like a cheap naafi watch

 

Please can we dump this idea that the belief in public ownership of transport, utilities and infrastructure and a restricted private sector involvement in healthcare and education is somehow 'extreme left'? That's about as far as the 2017/19 manifestos went (in fact, they weren't much different from Blair's in '97).

The above is how the UK was run pre-Thatcher and how many thriving European economies function. 'Extreme left' is language the playbook of the Daily Mail. We all know 'extreme right' is fascism, so let's not call the desire for the democratic implementation of socialist economic ideas 'extreme' please.

 

I completely agree with most of your comments. The conservatives have absolutely crashed the economy with their bad management and shocking political decisions. I think the issue for anyone following this shower of $hite into parliament will be trying to get the economy back on track and invest. I can understand Starmer not committing or being reticent about policies due to not knowing how badly the finances are: it will be a very long struggle for the next government to get anything sorted in one term, which may be the downfall of the Labour Party.

 

I don’t think that bringing the utilities back into public ownership is extreme left and I certainly do not read the Daily Heil. The idea of some sort of socialist utopia in the UK is never going to happen, it’s a very nice thought, but there are a lot of things in place that will stop this from ever happening.

 

He would be if he voted Liebour

 

we are an ageing demographic we are desperately in need of more tax payers to fund our ageing populations social care and benefits. The OBR report this week showed starkly what will happen if we do nothing.

From this you can have two actions you can aggressively promote immigration. Rejoin the EU and single market. Or you can promote policies that encourage people to have more children. Inaction is not an option.

 

Starmer is certainly to the right of Cameron. Arguably to the right of Sunak and Thatcher. Mikes yo the right of John Major.

 

So you are hoping we elect someone who lies to get in power.

 

look at Tony Blair for the wealth streams being PM opens up.

 

This. Also the economic fallacy of treating a national economy like a household one aka fiscal rules.

 

Labours position is also economically illiterate as it costs more to means test Child Benefit than has been saved from doing so.

 

Thanks for the response but I'm still (genuinely) puzzled. Just a couple of points.

For there to be a return to a Socialist Government there would have had to be one in the first place. I'm not sure the UK has ever had a socialist Govt. I think the nearest to one would be the 1945-51 Attlee administration. Bearing in mind what they were facing they didn't do too badly.

"The Labour Party returning to the extreme Left" (That's presumably even further to the Left than the Socialists!) I've honestly missed that one - and I was member for 22 years. When do you think the Party occupied 'the extreme left?"

 

I have more than 2 children so would be entitled to more child benefit if the charge happened. I don't want it though as it was my choice to have a bigger family and I don't think anyone needs to help me towards that with taxpayers money.
I would have a bigger family if I could but the reason I don't is I can't afford it especially with the rise in the cost of living.
If your wanting to promote people to have more kids sort the cost of living out, stop us from been completely shafted by the government and make childcare more affordable for working families.

 

in answer to your first question, there has not been a socialist government due to the fact that no one would vote for one, other than socialists. Also the right wing media would absolutely go to town m, hence my comment that if they lurched to the far left then they would not stand a chance of being elected.

With regards to the second question, it is a well known fact that there are far left members of the Labour Party and even within the Labour Party The Momentum Movement that I mentioned earlier would like to go back to making Labour more of a socialist party. As I also said in my earlier posts, I have no issues with nationalising the utilities and rail, but it has to be a fine balance.

 

The lib dems that got in on student fees.(Nick Clegg Sheffield Hallam) And then joined the tories. Students would more than likely have voted anyone else. A Massive (sorry for the pun) Student population in Sheffield helped him get elected.
Hence labour took over at the next election and Clegg was humiliated.

But tbh labour fecked up with Jared O'Mara. And he was a nightmare. How he got selected, goodness knows. And thankfully got shut of.

 

usually even though I disagree with your point of views I can see sense in your posts. The above is just twaddle though

 

I think it is generally accepted that the two Atlee Administrations were Socialist Government's, and it's certainly true to say People voted for them - in their droves. They couldn't wait to kick Churchill out - particularly those who actually fought in the conflict.

Last question. Which extreme left polices have the Labour party ever adopted that you think make them a bit too Socialist and off putting for voters?

 

Absolute ********