Good old Starmer

For me, it has always been their stance on nuclear weapons and disarmament. This has always been the Achilles heal for the Labour Party and is definitely something they need to be on point about. I also have no issue with them taxing the rich more and the redistribution of wealth, but I can imagine that the majority of other voters may have an issue, depending on where they target the taxation level.

I have olive trees and fig trees to attend to so I am hoping you are stopping the questions, unless you want some advice on olive trees

 

Be a good name for an album that last bit...

 

North of Tyne Mayor thrown the teddy out now!

 

What would you prefer, a cautious Labour Party in power and maybe doing the country and it's people some actual good or a full-on ultra left wing Corbyn style Labour Party permanently in opposition and able to do eff all while the Tories continue to destroy the country and impoverish the people?

The sad truth is that we live in a country which is predominantly Conservative in outlook and petrified by the prospect of a truly socialist government.

It really is time for a progressive alliance to get the Tories out and electoral reform to keep them out.

 

Sir Kid Starver trending on Twitter.

 

it’s you’re not your but it’s not me that wants people to have more children. The country will collapse under the weight of the ageing population unless we change something dramatically

sorting the cost is living crisis is a completely separate thing as the issues around the ageing population predate it. At the moment we are averaging a birth rate of 1.6 we need as an absolute minimum 2.1.

 

Scottish Labour coming out against Starmer. Stuff like this is so easy a you say is we will review this when we are in power. Kick it into the long grass. Starker is just very bad at politics.

 

For your 1st child you get more a month when it gets to your 2nd you get something like ten quid a week so for the 3rd and 4th 5th 6th 7th etc it would be the same and in the current climate a extra 40 quid a month is hardly going to tempt a working family have another child when heating, mortgage, food, fuel etc have all gone through the roof.
Maybe if you have no intention of working and have rent council tax etc paid for by the government a extra 440 a year might tempt you.

 

Sir Kid Starver doing well

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-keir-starmer-benfit-u-turn-b2376573.html

 

I agree with you on this, Brush. I think PR might be the way to ensure there's never a Tory majority again, which is my dearest hope in politics. But neither of the two main parties will go for it if they win under FPTP. And should Labour be the largest party but no overall majority I don't think they would entertain another referendum. And PR can't happen without one.

 

Glad he's doing it and we don't go back to the old labour days where familys were better off on the dole than working. If you want a big family it's your responsibility to fund by work not the tax payers.

 

If it's in the manifesto then no referendum is required. But as things stand with Labour looking like getting a majority, sadly it won't be.

Labour might get a second term but then the Tories will be back to screw us over again.

 

I don't think they could enact such a major constitutional change on the back of a manifesto commitment. I think the best they could do would be to say they would have a referendum on it. But I doubt there's a politician in the main two parties that wants to go anywhere near a referendum after the last seven years. If it was the price of Liberal support in a hung parliament I think Labour would decline it and rely on support for individual measures which would have to be non-controversial.

 

I'd like Starmer to tell the truth. I'd like him to stick to what he says when he's said it. Even if he said 'these are the things we'd like to do' and stuck to that it would be a start. At the moment I have no idea what a Labour government would do. People seem to be assuming that because Labour aren't the Tory Party they MUST therefore be a lot better. I'd like some evidence or even some inkling that that's the case . The reason for the original post was because Starmer said he would continue a Tory policy which many groups and 'experts' have said contribute to poverty. If that's what people want and what we are likely to get then its not just about a cautious Labour government or a socialist government its about red Tories. Labour should come out with some proper ideas which aren't vague, which Starmer doesn't flip on in 6 months and which show that they will be genuinely better for working class people than the Tories. At the moment there's nothing. That's my view. I'll change my view if and when Starmer changes.

 

Well I'll tell you straight KCP, beating the Tories will be enough for me and I don't care how he does it. Anything else is a bonus.

But you are entitled to your opinion - and to start a new Starmer-bashing thread every fortnight!

 

Ok. 30th July do?

 

I'll look forward to it - as will Jimmy Viz!

 

I'll look forward to that. Labour need stopping; All Right wing regressive parties should be opposed. Doesn't matter if they are called Conservative or they are called something else but have the same regressive backward outlook. Incidentally, don't pin it all on Starmer. The current Labour Party has some very dodgy characters. Think Militant but from the opposite wing.

 

When one of the main shadow ministers ( the vile Wes Streeting) says he’d rather have no hope than false hope , you know the party has no chance during an election The No Hope Party