Governments idea re benefit fraudsters

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  1. Dys

    Dyson Well-Known Member

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    Amen. nt
     
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    You're right it's amount of effort vs return

    If you hired a decent accountant / tax specialist then you could hit tax avoiders and make a return.

    Problem is theres' not enough to go round, and most of them are employed by the other side!

    Also each individual tax evader / avoider is different and each case has to be proven, etc etc etc. on an individaul basis, sometime in court and again at increased cost.

    Whilst the amount raised might be a net gain the return per pound spent on policiing is lower than taking on benefits claimaints.

    With benefits it doens't take much effort per case and you save a little from many thousands.

    There's another key difference. With benefits it's easier for the govt to stop giving rather than make sure others do the handing over. You know how much you are giving away - you never know how much in reality you will get back.


    It's definately not fair, it's not moral, but it's about getting the biggest bang for your buck.

    In response to Spartacus in reality - regardless of my political viewpoint - the return per pound of effort spent is much lower - But I don't mind setting up a firm of specialists to do the job on a share of the takings basis!
     
    M1 Tyke, Oct 5, 2009
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  3. Sup

    SuperTyke Well-Known Member

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    likewise why lock murderers up when there are serial killers out there nt
     
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  4. Hicksy

    Hicksy Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    I work for Remploy and we're at the front end of this

    We work to get people off INCAP and into paid employment. I see your point, there are plenty of people who'll use any excuse not to work and put barriers up where possible to make sure they don't end up in a job. Some people even claim not to be able to speak english when we know full well they can.

    Its not so much identifying those who are falsely claiming and could work- Government needs to do something else to make sure these people actually do something about finding work. Stopping benefits would be the ideal solution, but unfortunately there's too much of a grey area between those that genuinely need help to find a job and those that use health conditions as a way not to bother working. Its that grey area that many people hide behind.

    Plenty could be done, lets see who comes up with the better ideas.
     
    Hicksy, Oct 5, 2009
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    Wastyke New Member

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    Its a 'drop in the ocean' to what they should be doing

    Talk about benefits and saving money then,

    Stop handing out vouchers like confetti for illegal immigrants to waste on ciggs and ale

    Anybody capable of work but unemployed should have to earn the benefits by a created government job
    there are many ways that work could be provided.

    Stop the obscene 'Bankers Bonus Schemes' to banks we partly own

    Cut the expenses and perks to MP's ( trips to exotic Islands to check on global warming)

    Stop councils paying enormous wages to Town Hall employees (have you seen the average wage in our Town Hall ?)

    Stop throwing money at African and other nations for it to end up in a Swiss Bank Account of some Dictator.

    The list is endless (doh) (doh) (doh)
     
    Wastyke, Oct 5, 2009
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    Its got **** all to do with returns, more to do with headlines

    and the media, amongst other pressure groups, owned by wealthy "possible" tax avoiders, are unlikely to like it.
     
    Spartacus, Oct 5, 2009
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    Isle of Wight Tyke Active Member

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    Fraud is fraud at every level though and it should ALL be stamped out.
     
    Isle of Wight Tyke, Oct 5, 2009
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    Chef Tyke Well-Known Member

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    Sharia lending still comes at a premium, the lending is just structured in a different way.
     
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    Chef Tyke Well-Known Member

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    Good. I agree. The benefits culture is a disgrace.

    Worse so is the incapacity culture, which the last government has turned a blind eye to in an effort to massage unemployment figures.
     
    Chef Tyke, Oct 5, 2009
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    RE: Good. I agree. The benefits culture is a disgrace.

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    I agree my best mate who has vascular brain disease and can't walk but he can shuffle along slowly has been turned down.</p>

    Now that is a disgrace.
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    Euroman, Oct 5, 2009
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  11. BFC Dave

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    whoa hold on a minute my friend

    do not confuse evasion with avoidance the difference is the 'thickness of a prison wall'. </p>

    If you consider 'avoidance' morally wrong then change the law, or vote for a party that will. (er unlikely)</p>

    An example of avoidance is Philip Green who I understand paid dividends to his wife a Monaco resident thereby avoiding paying millions in tax. It's legal so nothing can be done.</p>

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    All the same to me. nt
     
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  13. Redstar

    Redstar Well-Known Member

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    What? nt
     
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    Redstar Well-Known Member

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    What? Eh? nt
     
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  15. Redstar

    Redstar Well-Known Member

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    What? Eh? nt
     
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    so do you agree with the rule of law ? nt
     
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    two differenet things one illegal theo other legal

    avoidance is someithng we all do e, g ISA
     
    tyrone, Oct 5, 2009
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  18. Redstar

    Redstar Well-Known Member

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    In this case, the law is clearly an ass. nt
     
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    Redstar Well-Known Member

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    That is Government approved...

    we are talking about schemes designed to pay as little tax as possible by those who can afford to pay more.
     
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    All tax avoidance schemes are government approved

    That's what "tax avoidance" means, as far as I know. Why anyone would want to pay more tax than they legally need to is beyond me.
     
    Stahlrost, Oct 5, 2009
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