Grim.

Are you a PIP assessor? Have you filled in a PIP form? Have you had a face-to-face PIP assessment knowing that the interviewer would be paid a £140 bonus if your claim was stopped?[/QUOTE]

Copilot makes this only a partial truth at best, KCP!

There is no evidence to suggest that PIP (Personal Independence Payment) assessors are paid bonuses specifically for rejecting claims. However, there have been reports indicating that assessors may receive incentives for completing a higher number of assessments within a given time frame. This has raised concerns about the potential impact on the quality and accuracy of assessments, as some fear it could lead to rushed evaluations.

 

I voted greens at the last ge' they were the only party that were alinged to my way of thinking' a lot of people slated me for " wasting my vote" ' but its only a wasted vote when you vote for someone that you don't really want to vote for which in my case was Keir starmer' socialist Labour is dead and buried unfortunately.

 

Copilot makes this only a partial truth at best, KCP!

There is no evidence to suggest that PIP (Personal Independence Payment) assessors are paid bonuses specifically for rejecting claims. However, there have been reports indicating that assessors may receive incentives for completing a higher number of assessments within a given time frame. This has raised concerns about the potential impact on the quality and accuracy of assessments, as some fear it could lead to rushed evaluations.[/QUOTE]
I asked a social welfare advisor about the bonuses actually. Defend Starmer all you like Mr Kaht. At some point it will become evident even to the most blind, lemming-like supporters such as yourself that the Labour Party is no friend to the weak and vulnerable and are operating in a virtually identical way to the Tories. The benefit cuts are a prime example. There are plenty of examples of why this policy will be cruel and heartless and also plenty of examples of how it could easily be avoided. Yet, some people such as yourself still think Starmer is a good guy. Ok.

 

I asked a social welfare advisor about the bonuses actually. Defend Starmer all you like Mr Kaht. At some point it will become evident even to the most blind, lemming-like supporters such as yourself that the Labour Party is no friend to the weak and vulnerable and are operating in a virtually identical way to the Tories. The benefit cuts are a prime example. There are plenty of examples of why this policy will be cruel and heartless and also plenty of examples of how it could easily be avoided. Yet, some people such as yourself still think Starmer is a good guy. Ok.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, but I just don't believe that a £140 bonus is paid simply to reject a claim. As suggested above, there may be incentives for completion of a higher number of assessments.

We'll have to agree to differ regarding Sir Keir, but I'm not really a blind lemming!

 

Sorry, but I just don't believe that a £140 bonus is paid simply to reject a claim. As suggested above, there may be incentives for completion of a higher number of assessments.

We'll have to agree to differ regarding Sir Keir, but I'm not really a blind lemming! [/QUOTE]
Believe what you like Mr Kaht. I've just told you where I got my information. I suspect you'll never get your head out of the sand regarding Starmer as you've nailed your colors to his mast and cannot now contemplate him being flawed politically. If he's wrong, he's cruel and he lies a lot why not just say so? Be honest with yourself - is this really why you wanted a Labour Govt?
You'll probably mention the minimum wage and the nhs as good things. I would agree with you but they dont alter the fact of these nasty cuts. As you say we can agree to differ but I believe youre fundamentally wrong about him. The fact that he's Labour is irrelevant to me. I'd applaud the Tories if they did good things (however impossible that might seem). Equally when a Labour Government targets the weakest in society I'll call it out for what it is.

 

i know there is a bonus scheme for nurses who are involved in the PIP process. Mrs has an ex colleague who went to do it. I have no idea as to what it looks like but the scheme exists as an entity.[/QUOTE]

But specifically to get claims rejected?

 

Believe what you like Mr Kaht. I've just told you where I got my information. I suspect you'll never get your head out of the sand regarding Starmer as you've nailed your colors to his mast and cannot now contemplate him being flawed politically. If he's wrong, he's cruel and he lies a lot why not just say so? Be honest with yourself - is this really why you wanted a Labour Govt?
You'll probably mention the minimum wage and the nhs as good things. I would agree with you but they dont alter the fact of these nasty cuts. As you say we can agree to differ but I believe youre fundamentally wrong about him. The fact that he's Labour is irrelevant to me. I'd applaud the Tories if they did good things (however impossible that might seem). Equally when a Labour Government targets the weakest in society I'll call it out for what it is.[/QUOTE]


So I've been promoted to a blind lemming with his head in the sand?

As you know - because we've discussed it often enough - my success criteria for Keir was to get the Tories out. Anything else is a bonus. He achieved that in spades. It was particularly deft politics to target seats in such a way that a relatively small percentage vote was translated into such a landslide victory. Do I think everything he has done has been correct? No. Do I think he came by the crappiest inheritance in living memory? Yes. Does that require some difficult decisions? In my view - yes.

I'm still waiting to hear what is not to like about the stated aims of the welfare reform:

Our reforms are guided by three principles. First, if you can work, you should. Second, if you want to work, the government should support you to make that a reality. Third, if you will never be able to work because of your illness or disability, the state should help you to get by with security, dignity and respect.

Of course the difficult bit is whether the finalised measures achieve these aims. Time will tell. But we are only at the Green Paper stage. So there is a lot of water to flow under the bridge, and a lot of time for interested organisations to make their representations about the shape of the final legislative proposals - at which stage a White Paper will no doubt be issued. But I don't think any serious commentator could suggest that the existing welfare system is sustainable without reform.

 

But what's the point if he's implementing the same policies regardless?

 

So I've been promoted to a blind lemming with his head in the sand?

As you know - because we've discussed it often enough - my success criteria for Keir was to get the Tories out. Anything else is a bonus. He achieved that in spades. It was particularly deft politics to target seats in such a way that a relatively small percentage vote was translated into such a landslide victory. Do I think everything he has done has been correct? No. Do I think he came by the crappiest inheritance in living memory? Yes. Does that require some difficult decisions? In my view - yes.

I'm still waiting to hear what is not to like about the stated aims of the welfare reform:

Our reforms are guided by three principles. First, if you can work, you should. Second, if you want to work, the government should support you to make that a reality. Third, if you will never be able to work because of your illness or disability, the state should help you to get by with security, dignity and respect.

Of course the difficult bit is whether the finalised measures achieve these aims. Time will tell. But we are only at the Green Paper stage. So there is a lot of water to flow under the bridge, and a lot of time for interested organisations to make their representations about the shape of the final legislative proposals - at which stage a White Paper will no doubt be issued. But I don't think any serious commentator could suggest that the existing welfare system is sustainable without reform.[/QUOTE]
And I'm still waiting to hear why pro-Starmer people wont accept there are alternatives. As to the aims of the reforms which you've italicized the third point is the crux. Its clear as crystal that many many people will miraculously be found able to work and will have their income taken off them. That's WHY they are doing it. They spin it as moral and as help but its nothing of the sort. Its immoral and punishment. There will be pain, fear, impoverishment and suicide because of cuts to the vulnerable. Its inevitable, yet some people still defend this Labour government simply because they got the Tories out. Anti-growth, depresses demand further. Other measures are available. Austerity 2.0. Even Osborne said he didn't want to do this. Read the comments by various poverty groups and health groups if you're still not sure of the implications. Starmer is spinning it and because he's Labour some people lap it up. Worse than the Tories mate - simple. He will never get my vote again. Ever. He is NOT a Labour prime minister.

 

I suspect the official line will be a bonus for "assisting people in no longer needing PIP" or something similar. But in reality it's the same thing as a bonus for rejections isn't it.

 

Its unbelievable, yet it is believable. Who'd have thought that a guy with no clear principles other than ' power for its own sake' would have any vision for society other than a 'change' soundbyte to attract non-Tories. The soundbytes worked and now the weakest are left to suffer. Good on yer Sir Keir. Labour is ruined after this parliament. On a weak total vote last election this majority is built on sand. Attacking the poorest like this will backfire big time. Reform may benefit, the Tories may benefit. Personally I hope the greens or Lib Dems benefit - both more progressive than Labour.

 

A lot can happen in four years, KCP!

 

A lot's already happened Mr Kaht. Labour are not worth two bob. Disgrace pal. I shan't be voting for them. If reform get in its not my fault its Starmers. If Tories get in its Starmers fault not mine. Labour are finished for me. I've had enough.