Have you changed your mind about Brexit?

At some point in the geological near future the British Isles (and Ireland) will all be part of mainland Europe again as sea levels drop during an ice age.

And if there is a God, then they have more important things to worry about than whether the inhabitants of one country are better than another country. Particularly when most of the people in that country can be traced back to other countries.

The Great in Great Britain is only down to the size of the island in relation to Ireland (originally Little Britain), and nothing to do with the inhabitants. Especially those that have an unwarranted superiority complex.

 

look at your statement about british workers,you've slagged every single one of them off to try and make your case for remain..is that enlightening enough?

and who the hell thinks they've got a god given right to be better than anywhere else,what are you blabbin on about

 

That british workers are lazier, have more breaks, toss it off more and more entitled than most other nationalities (though Italians rightly hold the crown for longest lunches! Mind you, if we could eat their food all day without bastardising it, we surely would too). Obviously that isn't a case for remain. That's purely an economic standpoint. Sadly, you preambled this by your admitted dislike of migrants. But you row back to save face however you like. or just proudly beat your xenophobic drum. It matters not either way. Au revoir.

 

If you have a "trading block" you have to have rules to make it a level playing field.
There are a bunch of EU things I don't like, but we seem to have thrown the baby out with the bathwater.
We are now going to either have to observe the rules without having a say in them, or abide by WTO rules, which would be a disaster on both sides of the Channel, with us coming out the worst. A bit like us sawing an arm off & every other country in the 27 biting off their big toe.
I'm 53 and have no kids & my business is not largely involved with trade with the EU, so I'm not losing loads of sleep over it, although if GDP falls by 15% over 10 years I'll be worse off. Yes, I'm a "Remoaner". I am also a big fan of the Ramones, so it's not surprising.

 

People are allowed to question immigration why and where people come from and why they are making their way to the uk and what benefits they may or may not bring providing its done in the right way.

So ranting half the population are fearful of foreigners and dem darkies and seeing foreign food as muck is coming close to the deluded howling at the moon fantasies that leaver voters are often accused of.

Perhaps,rather than brag about wanting to spend extra on your now nationalised tradesmen perhaps go to somewhere and ask the indiginous population why they hold some of the views they do.

Take a walk around the Wicker and Spittal Hill and the surrounding areas on a friday or saturday night.

You can see the diversity of the various drug gangs. Ocassionally you might even be lucky enough not to see one lot kicking **** out of the other or even a few stabbings.

Page hall.

Its a shitehole. The council have to provide hazard bags for the waste. Theres rubbish strewn everywhere.

Both the white and asian populations around there have little positive to say about it.

But you wont go speak to the locals. Easier to criticise and belittle from a distance i your ivory towers.

 

So heres the question for the Leavers. Dr Fox (and not the DJ) wants us to join a trade partnership with the Pacific nations - Japan, Australia, New Zealand, etc, etc. When this moves towards freedom of movement, goods and services (as it eventually will), will you be happy with that or want to leave again?

 

There are bugger all nations outside the EU we will have any trade surplus with.
What the **** are we going to undercut China at doing for a start, or India, or the USA for that matter?
Australia, New Zealand & Japan's economies add up to bugger all as a marketplace.
It is all about driving this country into the ground to benefit the top 1%, of which Boris, Farage, May, et al represent.
Welcome to the real world Brexiteers.

 

I suggest you go talk to your white friends, as that's what you're used to, ironic your ivory towers are whiter than white. Ironic how you demonise those of a non white colour and question their right to do anything. To my left lives, a peruvian, opposite me, nationalities of Ghana, Jamaica, China and Costa Rica. All of which we talk, we say hello, we put each others bins back if we're in first.

The only times I've had trouble in Barnsley were local louts. Last time in the early hours of the morning walking to the train station to return south. A group of 5 drunks starting to throw ice, which then turned into stones, then rocks, then anything they could get their hands on.

The things I quoted were all phrases I heard in Barnsley town centre, one in Boots not long after the referendum when a middle aged white Barnsley woman spoke of foreigners, pushing their muck on us, they should go home where they belong. As she was served by a young Lithuanian women. Its little wonder migrants struggle to integrate with such open vitriol in some areas for merely standing there trying to do the job they are paid.

If the words are uncomfortable to you, or too close to the bone, perhaps consider why that may be the case. Why you assume someone born in Syria isn't British as your first thought. Why you imagine all the drug dealers aren't white. Time for introspection.

 

India has already said any trade deal is dependent on larger volumes allowed into the UK and more university places.

 

I prefer Brextremists. Typical of their polling and peer group research to try and sound gallant with Brexiteer, while denigrating anyone else as remoaners

 

I wish I'd written this. Very good post.
I live in Leeds 6 (Headingley) i have only a few asian friends, but my shop of choice is Abu Bakar in Hyde Park, the friendliest & best supermarket I've been in & they pay their taxes in the UK, unlike some of their rivals.

 

I'm actually a pro-immigration leave voter, I understand the contribution immigrants make to the economy, I understand the importance of having young immigrant families, who receive less in terms of services than they contribute, I understand that without immigrants much of the country would struggle.

But why do these immigrants have to come from the EU?

Why is it okay for Greek people to come over, but somebody born a mile away in Albania can't? The EU is just as exclusionary as a post-Brexit Britain would be. Being in the EU still excludes 6.5 billion people from automatic entry.

I went to uni with a guy from the DRC. He'd worked hard, got a good degree, but when his student visa ran out he had to go home. Why is it okay for us to send skilled people with qualifications home, but every Pawel, Florin and Diego can make his way here unfettered, if he so wishes? Initially I'd like to see us simply apply a points based system, but if it moves towards a freedom of movement situation then I'd hope we approach it and apply this sensibly, rather than in the imperialist manner that Tusk and Juncker want. Ultimately that's what this is all about. If the EU abandoned freedom of movement between Britain and the EU then it'd be sorted. They won't because they want an EU superstate, and they know if they give it to us the rest would follow.

 

The Wicker and Spittal Hill have been dumps for years - although you could get a good curry down there in the early 90s. On the TPT under the bridge towards the bottom of the Wicker is the only place I've seen people getting ready to shoot heroin in public (both were white, English BTW) and that was 12 years ago. Page Hall, same, as is Shirecliff, and much of that area of Sheffield (like lots of big cities in the UK) have been bad since at least the early 80s. Lots of it is "natives", lots is "1st/2nd generation immigrants" and some of it is "new immigrants" - although its not easy to tell the difference as they don't carry signs or anything else to identify them its a little difficult to tell the difference.

These areas have been poor and deprived for years, reduced UK government funding for essential services since 2010 has made things worse. Generations of the government fighting and losing the "war against drugs" hasn't helped, neither have reductions in opportunities for people to get out of this lifestyle. Making the entire country poorer is just going to make things worse in these areas for the next couple of generation. JRM predicts 50 years before we see the benefits and he is on of the leading proponents of this madness.

 

We will take more people from India & Africa on leaving the EU, that is inevitable.
We will also be a lot worse off, that is inevitable.

I was on the losing side.
I'm a Ramones-er.

The USA has been the most successful nation in the post war era. It is a big area that has kept itself together with a federal system.

We are about to disappear up an arsehole made by Boris Johnson, Michael Gove & Nigel Farage. BTW, where the **** are they?

 

Alternatively, the UK government could apply the rules that are open to it under freedom of movement to limit immigration from the EU. We don't have to pay benefits to them, they have to have a job or means to support themselves, be law abiding, and have health insurance to stay here for longer than 3 months. Our governments have chosen not to enforce this for the last 14 years. We also had a brake on immigration from the new EU countries, but we chose not to apply it.

You are correct, skilled people should be able to stay, but again that is down to our government not letting them. Already we bring in more people each year from outside the EU than from inside it, and have been doing for years. Not all of those are qualified, skilled, or work in an industry/job that we need people to do, yet the Home Office (and for much of this time the person responsible for this is Mrs T May) let them in, but throw out "desirable" workers like your friend.

These problems are entirely down to the UK government. A government that has had two years to implement ways to reduce immigration since the referendum, but it hasn't done anything about it at it and shows no sign of doing anything about it. If they had stood in the election and promised to implement the restrictions on FoM that they could have would have walked the last election and got the massive majority they wanted.

 

To be fair, in the early days of the USA tensions between the states did lead to the Civil War. A conflict that killed more Americans than any other to this day. Since then, they've mainly worked together - although the coastal regions are vastly different to the interior in just about everything...

 

The federal system came after the civil war, just like the EU came after WW2?

 

You could be right. My knowledge of American history is limited to the big things. I kind of assumed it was there from the start, but they didn't finish adding states until 1959.

 

no xenophobic drum here pal and where did i say i dislike migrants??????????, i have a problem with immigration or more to the point uncontrolled free movement immigration(and unchecked illegal immigration),this is the system that is wrong for allowing it,this does not mean i dislike migrants,there is a difference...but paint it up however you like mr love child,Bonjour

 

No worries, nicely re-edited, auf wiedersehn