Have you changed your mind about Brexit?

It's likelier that you'll know leaving the EU doesn't stop immigrants arriving from the Middle East and Asia though.

 

I have family who live in New Zealand, they have agreed a Trade deal with the UK if we come out. However it favours NZ,in that they get to export more Dairy,Agricultural and Wine products to us . Bearing in mind that the population of NZ is 3.5million,there is not a big export market for the UK. Plus they already have favourable Trade agreements with Japan,China and Indonesia, which are closer geographically,the same goes for Àustralia. It's not going to be easy,it's a pity no one thought this through.

 

Just on the point of wind energy, numerous sea turbines were sold and introduced in India. Not many, but they were struggling to get orders from there, there were pushing a great deal into the former soviet states and the hinterland between Russia and China. All off their own effort.

You're absolutely right, we can trade with anyone. There just may be harder barriers and more expensive tariffs attached to do so. I've been trading with America, Brazil and Turkey for years. As well as several EU countries.

 

But not that you’ll still be able to have a gap year in Bali..... ?

 

I'd argue with the issues of environment, we should be doing as much trade locally, and with countries in close proximity, particular in terms of food, as we possibly can.

 

these wernt exit polls they were polls carried out before the referendum

 

I never said that Leave voters were not intelligent. You did.

I said Remain voters were better educated. That means that they went to university and studied after leaving school. After university they usually go into more technical, skilled or management positions. That is a generality. I know taxi drivers with degrees and very senior technical people that left school at 18 without an A level. But the majority of people overall in management, senior skilled positions or with a graduate background are more likely to be supportive of the EU.

I take it you would agree with me that going to university offers a better standard of education than leaving Foulstone (other crap Barnsley schools are available) at 16 and signing on. PhDs are better educated than Graduates. Graduates are better educated than people with A levels. People with A levels are better educated than people with GCSE/O Levels.

Have a look at this that goes into lots of detail:

http://www.statsguy.co.uk/brexit-voting-and-education/

Strong correlations between % graduates in an area and the Remain vote. Less strong correlation between age and Leave vote. Areas with higher ethnicity have more remain voters. These are facts based on the referendum result in each region and the make-up of each region from census and other government data. Nothing to do with opinion polls.

 

I said you were implying this. As happens quite a lot.

They are merely educated in their chosen area of expertise... does this mean that a builder educated by on the job training is not as educated as someone with a degree in performing arts and how this affects their understanding of brexit...

You also infer that you know the make up of people who voted from their area? Once again an assumption made also by your stats guy. Yes an area has more university degrees, but you do not know how they voted. It’s an assumption made to try and belittle part of the voting people.

As for education, I have said over again that education takes different forms. I’m not sure what education enables someone to know the outcome of a brexit or remain vote though.... so the ridiculous implication of that university graduates know Best is just that. It also ignore the fact that over 50’s would not have had the same access to university. So as a statement I find it very flawed.

 

In your opinion....

 

No, in your opinion.... based upon the opinion of others.

 

Look matey, if you voted Leave you're too thick to understand, just let the clever adults decide and back off to your... whatever it is thick people do.

 

The statics quoted seem to prove it. Demographics do suggest as older people die off & younger people become eligible to vote the whole landscape will be different. That is why the majority needed to be larger to be valid 55% at least, (like the Scottish referendum to leave the UK).

I've made my point regarding what I see is the folly of leaving the EU (even though it is flawed in many ways) & don't want to do it again.

The reality is that if a party manages to put together a pro-EU position after we have left & the economy has nosedived I can see us having a referendum to go back in within 5 years. It depends if May hangs on to power, as to how soon that might happen. (Labour aren't going to do anything at the moment, as they are not in government). I think by that stage there would be a big majority to go back in, due to said demographics & job losses, especially in towns with a manufacturing base.

I take a lot of people's valid points that euroscepticism is on the rise in a lot of countries in the EU & there may well be a renegotiation of a bunch of things down the line, like free movement & I could see some countries that are hapless at collecting taxes, like Greece exiting the Euro & going back to the days of hyperinflation & currency devaluation. We may go back in, but on different terms & a bunch of countries may opt for the same terms.
Germany & France may have to accept this.

 

Too late, us thickos have already ruined it for you super intelligent beings.

 

Education in what? It is still your opinion, based upon the statistics you have taken as gospel. Education to degree level or above does not indicate a sound understanding of European politics. So the statement is mere conjecture upon your part. Facts are not based upon statistics.... look it up pal.

 

I don't imply. If I wanted to say gibbering idiots with the intellectual ability of a jacket potato I would have said that. I deliberately said "better educated" because I meant better educated, as in had completed a graduate level course at university because I have seen, read and understood these reports previously.

Most (not all) university courses have modules on statistics, and critical thinking. These make those that have been through these courses better equipped to interpret the arguments that were put forward at the time. It helps to understand the difference between correlation and causation when interpretting statistics.

BTW with 8 months to go we have absolutely no idea of the functional and non-functional requirements for business operation in the UK after March. Every single business process will need evaluating against these, so a fully published deal tomorrow is already about 3 years too late.