Hecky swimming tonight at the Metrodome

Aww poor Heckyar*se, was the big splash too much for him, was he out of his depth ?.

 

Watkins was decent as a striker it should of been him and either Bradshaw or Armstrong up front imo. But we went with 1 in Bradshaw hence why we only had 3 win for the rest of that season 2 against relegated sides.
Can't remember that do you have link it looked obvious when all the goalscoring midfielders been brought in he was going for a midfield 5. I remember him saying he had watched ugbo in Chelsea u23s and thought he could step upto the championship. He did also say on record that if the club gave him players he didn't want he wouldn't play them. All I'm saying is I'm not convinced 442 was his favoured position.

 

No - I still don’t get it.
Let’s try it another way - give me a list of the top clubs that have got to the top WITHOUT any private investment from the owners.
We can then go through them one by one.
You can start with Blackburn or Liverpool if you want.

 

No, I'd really rather not as it is a complete waste of time!

 

Nor is it a crime to wish ill fortune upon him.

 

Not picking up the challenge then.
Yer know why - because there isn’t one.
The owners wealth is obviously intertwined with the club.

A couple of years ago McCabe of Sheffield United said he had spent £95 million of his own money on the club.
Take Wigan or Blackburn as other examples - Premiership clubs until the owners stopped spending more of their own money.

ALL clubs except probably the top clubs like Man United rely on their owners to put money in.
All what has been said contrary to this is all BALLAX !!!

 

Agreed.
I don't agree with your point of view though so if I walked up to you in the street and told you I hope your career fails and your life nosedives what sort of person would that make me?
That's not what I wish by the way. I don't know you or your personal circumstances. Just the same as no one knows Heckingbottom's or the ins and outs of his departure.
Disagree with the way he left by all means but to wish ill fortune on a bloke for moving jobs??........very sad.

 

You can do as you like. Your opinion would make no difference to me; just as mine makes no difference to Heckingbottom.

I hold said opinion, am glad he failed, and would like to see that continue without limit. My wishes change nothing in the real world but I wish them nevertheless.

 

A few years back Donny Rovers ownership/directors had more combined wealth than the Queen. didn't do em any favours.

There's a subtle difference between assuming that the owners personal wealth automatically equates to the wealth of the football club, and the fact that a wealthy owner can utilise various means at their disposal to help fund the club - see Dr Xia at Villa - now their Prem revenue is diminishing they have to reduce expenditure - he's still exceptionally wealthy though, but has to pay heed to current rules that prevent owners just throwing cash at it. As ever, these things are much more nuanced than they appear.

 

You argue my case better than I do.

 

Give it a rest with the “he had his team sold from under him” shizer. That’s becoming Heckingbottom loyalists’ only argument to a debate and it’s becoming bloody tiresome.

The facts are he knew we were a selling club so had to expect what was coming and if my memory serves me correctly, the players he brought in were all dog meyt at best. He was the man who took us towards the bottom with his crap tactics and substitutions which were also evident at his brief spell at Weeds with a much more talented and expensive team.

The jury isn’t out on this, he’s a poor manager/coach who earned a false reputation by getting lucky with Wilson and LJ’s signings - it’s a fact and the only reasons he survived in his position was due to Patrick’s loyalty to him and our fans singing the cringey “one of our own” chant on match days.

 

Yes - but the point being the owners have the option to stick or twist.
Donny directors chose to stick.
Patrick on the other hand chose to twist but had a relatively poor hand.
Current Barnsley owners will not throw large sums of money at the club at the moment - but the important thing is - if they want to - then they can.
Which is completely different to the Patrick Cryne era e.g. when good young loan players regularly slipped through our fingers.

 

Probably biggest load of ***** I’ve read on here in a long time.
What do you do for a job ???

 

I’ve been reading your posts on here for a while & I’ve generally avoided interacting with you because I think you’re a bit of a pudding but seen as you’ve quoted me I might as well reply.

You haven’t got a clue about the clubs transfer dealings, full of nonsense about Johnson’s signings, Wilson’s signings, Hecky’s signings. Surely you aren’t that stupid? You honestly think any manager goes out & signs a squad full of kids with little or no championship experience? Have you not listened to interviews from managers, chief executives, Cryne these past few years?

Heckingbottom loyalists? It’s not the IRA, he’s a football manager. My view is when a manager has most of his team flogged & isn’t picking the replacements you can’t blame him for going, I’d say the same about any manager at any club. Don’t expect loyalty from someone if you don’t support them.

You might think otherwise but last August the vast majority on here thought our squad last season was one that was going down & many even said we’d do a Rotherham yet Heckingbottom had us outside the bottom 3 despite not been able to play his preferred system or having McBurnie, Gardner, Isgrove, Yiadom available for most of that time.

It’s only since he left that lots on here have changed their tune & started re-writing history & pretending he was doing a bad job.

Cryne didn’t stay loyal to Hecky because he was from the area he stayed loyal to him because he’d done a good job & helped make him a fortune on transfer dealings in the past couple of years. It might not fit your narrative but it was Hecky who considered walking out in January 2017 & Hecky who was repeatedly asked by Cryne to stay when he was interested & speaking to other clubs in 2017 before his health took a turn for the worse.

Everyone at the club knew last season would be a struggle, it always would be with losing a full team within a year & replacing them with kids, the hope was to scrape over the line & the young players improve with a years worth of championship experience.

 

The wealth of Bramall, Watson & Ryan wasn't anywhere near a billion though Chien spends more in Wildcats.

 

Yes - I agree with most of that.
But I don’t agree with the part that Hecky wasn’t involved in the process of replacements.
What I think happened is that targets were identified but the club (Ganaye?) failed to get some positions adequately filled.
In saying that - it was a big task as nearly a full squad was required. How crazy is that FFS?

The club over egged the pudding in attacking midfielders but were slow in recruitment of wingers (remember- the 5 goalkeeper posts when some on here didn’t see any problems) and the club definitely failed in recruitment of strikers.
There were posts at that time about the lack of strikers at the club - although again many on here couldn’t see this.
The club then tried to amend the lack of strikers in January 2018.

2017/2018

 

I like your posts on here django I think you are a good poster I find myself agreeing with you alot bar this subject.
But hecky was in charge we started the season reasonably well (alot down to Harvey barnes) the Norwich game form went downhill from there. The only reason we were out of the bottom 3 was because hull and Birmingham couldn't win for toffee hull made some great signings in Jan and brum eventually got a half decent manager to keep them up. Hecky had won one game in nearly 2 months Sunderland away his last win before that was brum at home. Pressure was growing because the football was awful and he kept going with the same 451 which wasn't working with Bradshaw alone (admittedly options were limited but he tried 352 for 45 mins against a top 6 side then changed it at half time... baffling stuff) I would of happily gave him untill the end of season although nothing suggested the outcome would of been diffrent.
As for having his best players sold winnall forced a move, Conor heard of the villa interest and told cryne he wanted out they would of both gone for free like scowen and Marley did at the end of season. Every club bar Barca and real are selling clubs but as bfc fans we will always be a selling club unfortunately. Hecky gave us some good times but he also spent more money than any other bfc manager although people will say he had players forced on him but imo that isn't the case as Paul said him self he wouldn't play any players he didn't want.

 

Have you morphed onto here from a previous posting name?

Just wondering.....

 

LMAO, coming from the worst grandstander on here is quite laughable. Isn’t there a thread for you to do your usual virtue signalling routine Nudge? I mean you never quite talk about footie so it shocks me that you’ve commented on a football related thread for a change. You and Django should be a comedy act as you’re both a pair of puddings who come out with some reyt clangers.

 

He’ll have had some involvement but from what we’ve heard he picks from a pool of players recommended to him so the odds on a player he actually want been recommended to him are probably very thin.

I think we were just unlucky with wingers, we had 4 in Hammill, Barnes, Isgrove & Hedges we were just unlucky with Isgrove & Hedges barely been fit & Barnes getting recalled.

We were desperately short up front & in terms of natural central midfielders, like you said we had way too many attacking midfielders.

I think Hecky had more of a say in January as certainly Moore & Mills seemed more the type he’d go for certainly from what he said in press conferences & interview pre-January but to what degree we’ll never know