Holgate to Villa...

Just a thought though, due to his age we'd still be due a fee at the end of his contract albeit set by a tribunal so maybe we'd not get £1m.

I don't know whether he's that good - certainly as a right back I wouldn't have thought he'd make it above league 1 level, but I would have liked to have seen him played regularly at centre back to see how he progressed.

 

If he wants to go, he wants to go. It's a shame but if we come out of it with £1m and w(hopefully) some sort of sell-on clause then that's not bad going considering we obviously can't convince him to stay and there's only a year left on his contract.

 

I agree completely, he isn't anywhere near as good as Stones, but I get the feeling he's being advised that he is which is rank bad advice.

We hadn't seen a player like Stones since David Hirst - a player where you knew they were going on to play for England. Unfortunately Mason you're not in this class and you're nowhere near it either.

 

^^^This^^^

He should've going for a similar fee to Stones in my opinion. Stones was massively undervalued so to compare that fee with this fee to justify it is having pants pulled down twice.

Agree we should get rid of he doesnt want to be here but reckon we could be getting more

 

So what do you suggest? Especially as the buyer is in the box seat.

 

I agree marc, people moan at us about selling players on the cheap, it'll be the same in 2-3 years time.

 

I agree but with less than a year on his contract and him refusing an extension, it's only BFC that can lose out financially. We have a track record of letting young uns go free or low transfer fees I.e. Maguire, Rhodes. Maybe we aren't getting the contracts right in the first place. As soon as Holgate looked like he could make it as a pro we offered 2 years. That after being here since he was 9.

 

I'm just guessing here but I bet we get £undisclosed for him

 

Starting to get a bit annoyed with this situation. I saw an up and coming star player last season who looked destined to follow in Stones's footsteps. Maybe not as quickly, but with the talent to get there.

Now we seem to have a disenchanted, almost useless member of the playing staff who is neither in the setup nor out of it. This needs resolving quickly. I was really looking forward to seeing him develop this season into a proper player, preferably at centre half. If that's not going to happen let's at least get a realistic fee for him.

A million sounds low compared to some of the silly money that is thrown around but if it was that plus add ons for appearances, international call ups and future transfers then I don't think we could complain too much. I only want to see players who WANT to play for BFC. The rest can go.

 

Typical of football at the moment!

No loyalty anymore, only bothered about £££££s

If he ain't bothered about playing for us get rid.

At The RIGHT PRICE !!!!!!!!

 

Good business. He is not a right back and he is not tall enough to be a centre back.

 

Sad to hear, as I enjoyed watching him last season. However, it does appear to be similar circumstances to ourselves looking to recruit younger players from further down the footballing pyramid. On top of that , there may well have been developments away from the public eye which has prompted the club to act as it has. Speculation is rife as to why the club has acted like it has (along with the attitude of Wilkinson prior to his signing), but it is worth remembering speculation is only guesswork, not fact.
If Holgate does go, then perhaps that will give both Bree & Williams the opportunity to battle it out for the right back position and enables Johnson a bit more leeway when highlighting his targets.

 

Shame that he is (apparently) leaving us I enjoyed watching him develop and grow into the team last season. If we had any nous given the low fee we can expect for not having the gumption to get him signed on a longer deal in the first place we would ask for a Saxon long loan as part of the deal.

 

But, as with all loans, wouldn't our time and team sheet be better served by spending the £1m on new players and giving them the game time instead? It's not like he's an irreplaceable part of the squad - it just looked like he might become one given time.

 

I take the point but if we can retain quality in a position and use the money to strengthen very weak areas such as wingers and forwards would be a better use of money and we could get him for another Season without paying his wages do would be a 'free loan'.

 

I think looking at the signings and squad and with Bree fully fit I'm not sure where Holgate would have fitted in. I think he would have been higher up the pecking order than Cowgill, but with Bree fit at right back and Mawson right side CH then i think he may have had to fight harder for his place than last season. As such if we get money in the transfer fund then it could work out ok. We should then move on. Worst scenario is if nothing happens in the next 2 weeks and we carry a player in the reserves. No good for him or us.

 

Holgate has been advised by his agent, someone who he pays handsomely for advice, not to sign the contract on offer. I do not know why he has been so advised, given that he will be being paid at a significantly lower rate than the sum being offered in the new contract and the fact that the club has the right to a fee for his transfer until the age of 24. Quite rightly, the supporters of BFC who comment upon things on these forums are supporting the club, but they do not have full knowledge of the circumstances from either side of the impasse. In fact, neither do I. However, I am a bit of a pig headed individual who tends to react more positively to conciliation than I do to conflict, and given that my personal disposition is also a character trait of most Yorkshire folk, I wonder why the club has tried to bully Holgate into signing something he has clearly been advised not to sign. Does it make him more likely to sign ? Does refusing to play him in the first team increase the fee we are likely to receive if Holgate follows the Butterfield route at the end of his contract ? Does refusing to play him increase our likelihood of picking up points ? At some point, the two sides must be brought together again to talk things through and build on common ground. before the gap becomes insurmountable, otherwise Barnsley Football Club will be the loser. My guess is that Holgate wants a sell on clause rather than a huge wage, but as I say, I know nothing other than the fact that bullying is definitely not the answer.

 

Bit harsh. I don't see any bullying. Bailey and Lalkovic weren't in the first team squad nor playing yesterday either. Its a simple case of LJ working with the players he feels will be here to start the season. Simple as.... we don't need to be in the know to see that.

But if you look at a balanced view its not much good for others to be giving up their place and their chance in the first team squad for someone who has declared he wants to leave. The reward for loyalty perhaps?