Homelessness

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  1. e-red

    e-red Well-Known Member

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    The original post was about homelessness and I may have muddied the water by bringing civil service redundancies into it. My point is that another 91000 job losses is not going to help the situation when other measures might.
     
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    It ought to be though.
    In my mind that’s what I class as the Civil Service, the rest ai tend to refer to by type, ie DVLA, Council, Passport Office etc, it’s the buggers that nobody seems to know what they do that’s the problem I think.
     
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    It’s easy to look at somebody else’s job and say “you’re not necessary”, or “you’re stealing a living”. It leads to an attitude where everyone has to justify their existence every day, which leads to mental health problems, which leads to homelessness and worse.
    Perhaps it would be kinder to believe in jobs for jobs sake?
     
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    thats utopia though isn't it though. Us in the private sector have been getting hammered for years, and thats with no perks pension wise etc.
    remember I didn’t say sack anybody just not replace them when the leave/ retire
     
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    They'll be out sourced as usual so the chumocracy can make money, the employees be paid less, the service be less efficient, and it cost more than it already does.
     
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    So what do our kids do for jobs?
     
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    Getting hammered. What does that feel like?
    I don’t think it’s Utopia, it’s not long ago that more enlightened people were talking about national living wage as if being paid and idle would make things OK. Having a purpose is more important than getting paid for doing nothing.
    What I saw last night was a waste of human potential.
     
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    There's cushy jobs in the private sector too. I don't understand why it's a race to the bottom, why as a country wedding want people to be employed and happy in their work.
     
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    Having recently retired from the Civil Service ( DWP) I can quite categorically state there is no over- staffed depts only chronic understaffing. We worked all through lockdown often on benefits that we hadn’t trained for to try and help with the shortfalls of staffing. In our office alone we lost almost half the staff in one afternoon due to the ‘ Shielding’ rule. This fekin awful PM never even mentioned his own Civil Service when he addressed the Nation in the Summer of 2020, he reeled of occupation after occupation for special mention but not us. This is nothing more than a privatisation PR which the general public will ( as usual) swallow.
     
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    We’ve all been getting hammered for years and you’ve fallen straight for the Govts favourite weapon, Private sector verses Public Sector This tells me you simply haven’t a clue about the Public Sector, and just trolling out the old Tory Rhetoric. Oh, and I’ve worked in both, and wages wise, the Private sector was way out in front.
     
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    My son was a police officer for 17 years and over that time he saw cuts in staff and a loss of morale as a result. Of course they weren’t cutting front line staff only ‘back room’ personnel. As if those people did nothing. When they’d gone they began to realise how valuable they were to keeping front line officers in the field. Overworked and demoralised officers left and there was no budget to replace them. My son is no longer a police officer.
     
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    if you know one Helen that’s fair enough but I haven’t seen one for years, certainly our firm has been down to the bare bones since effects of COVID certainly not under management level.
    Tbh I‘m sticking to football on here now, most folk ( not you) don’t bother reading when you try to explain.
    If you try to make a point that’s anything other than something in the socialist bible some ( one in particular )just pile in whatever with the you don’t know what you are talking about you’re just falling for propaganda etc ( ironically that kind of stuff only works one way).
    Whatever I post I try to post from personal experience, I’m not saying I’m always right ( I’m not). In this case I said I knew somebody who worked in Whitehall who told me what they said is like .
    I’ve worked in Nationalised industry and predominantly the private.
    I can honestly say the former was a doddle ( I didn’t know that at the time) compared to life in the private sector.
    I certainly don’t think every government agency is a doddle, my wife left social services when they were shat on from a great height and their staff cut to the bone to the level folk were dropping to stress related illness like flies.
    BUT as I say it’s a waste of time trying to have a different view because folk just get downright insulting!
    Anyway like I say football only now!
     
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    You were challenged for some things you said, you were happy to trawl out the Private Sector v Public Sector garbage, come off it. This post with its ‘Socialist Bible’ is nothing more than a ‘repeat of Tory-esque waffle. ‘Pile-in’ my arse.
     
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    If it’s me that you mean, I apologise. It wasn’t personal.
     
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    You were challenged for some things you said, you were happy to trawl out the Private Sector v Public Sector garbage, come off it. This post with its ‘SocialistBible’ is nothing more than a ‘repeat of Tory-esque waffle. ‘Pile-in’ my arse.

    Well it’s obviously yourself , using the above reply as an example.
    You’ve obviously sampled what I put to fit your agenda.
    Haven’t a clue? Really? Fallen for Tory Rhetoric, because obviously I have no personal experiences to refer to.
    I’ve worked in both sectors and always found the private sector way harder.
    There is nothing like a typical private sector wage it varies wildly.
    I also know that three relatives who retired from the public sector have way better pensions than the one I’ve been paying for will give.
    In reality my opinion is simply different to yours ,the real difference is that I tried to state mine in an ordered polite manner, you however dived in with that ….
    If you think that is acceptable that’s your problem not mine!
     
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    Do you honestly think there’s a ‘spare’ 90,000 civil servants in Whitehall? A couple of buildings holding less a few 1000 staff?

    It’s always baffled me that the public hear ‘civil servant’ and immediately think of ‘Sir Humphrey’ rather than the people running job centres, issuing passports, collecting taxes, running the forests the NHS, the prisons, etc etc mostly for a sub £30k salary.
     
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    Council staff aren’t ‘civil servants’.

    it’s concerning that someone so generally intelligent can be triggered into supporting something based on a phenomenal level of ignorance.

    Genuinely not a dig; you seem to be far from daft, but your understanding of the ‘civil service’ is about as strong as my understanding of molecular biology; and yet it never occurred to you not to post.
     
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    It’s always baffled me that the public hear ‘civil servant’ and immediately think of ‘Sir Humphrey’ rather than the people running job centres, issuing passports, collecting taxes, running the forests the NHS, the prisons, etc etc mostly for a sub £30k salary.[/QUOTE]

    Like I said, I give in , I explained what I meant and how I separate each section, you obviously didn’t read or agree with that and I obviously didn’t t mean all that number from there. ,
    Political statements are a total waste of time on here unless they come from a 100% socialist viewpoint!
    No other topic is analysed or attacked to the same extent, btw l, you think a sub 30k salary is unusual?
     
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    I appreciate you aren’t having a dig, and I did try to explain why I used the term civil service that’s because in my experience it’s Whitehall that people generally mean and that’s where my friend worked.
    I do like to think I know the difference between the civil service and other public servants, I went for what I thought was a simplification but I was obviously wrong.
    I wasn’t trying to fall out with anybody and I certainly wasn’t havin* a go at you.
    Unfortunately I let Tarntyke get under my skin.
     

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