How come if Covid is finished I've got it now

sexist

 

It's absolutely crazy. It's used by my employer though luckily not in my department. The real silly thing is the skivers work the system anyway. You here comments like I can only have 4 days off between now and x date so I'll just wait for a bank holiday week.

 

I've got to go until 23rd June or I'd start the disciplinary process. That's in spite of having sick notes. Only thing I could phone in with is depression. My supervisor let that slip in our last meeting.

 

I'm more referring to we need to stop singling out covid? Nobody asking for such measures for other conditions like influenza? (I get what you are saying as a wider picture though in trying to help the vulnerable)
Continually singling out covid still promotes this additional mental fear which was one of my points which probably is doing more mental damage to people than physically to 1.3m vulnerable.

I did gasp at one of your measures about an extra carriage or 2 on trains for mask wearers etc... Never gonna happen, my god the state of overcrowding already on trains.. My main experience anyway Leeds/Barnsley or Leeds/Manchester, every carriage around peak hours crammed in like sardines.

 

The last time I heard it being used was in a Council department in Hackney which must have been pre 2000. And as you rightly say, anyone wanting to skive knew how the system operated and could easily get round it. Anyone with a chronic illness would likely be managed out... though potentially face some form of discrimination complaint.

 

The mantra at Haribo was ring in with something they can't prove.

 

A previous employer used to flag up people.. 3 days in 3 months equals a trend and would lead to a disciplinary meeting. Seems to be rife practice in places like call centres. So glad I'm not in that sort of environment in my current employment.

 

Then a **** with a bike gets on. Just to go to Wombwell or Elsecar.

 

NHS replaced Bradford Index a few years ago with an even more Draconian system. Agreed by the unions as part of (what proved to be) a very sh1tty pay deal.

 

Also it's what you ring in with. If it's the same ailment it looks worse because they see it as something that could be managed.

 

Or people could just wear a mask in carriages that were masked as mandatory? And then you can look at flexing hours to non peak times. One thing my wife said about the trains when she went in 3 times, she'd purposefully gone in very early. The people she saw wearing masks was around 70-80%. On her return journey at around 6-30-7pmish, only around 5-10% were wearing a mask.

So how do you live with something if you're not able to safely live with something? The other option is anyone at risk of dieing from covid is ostracised from the world and somehow, I don't see that improving mental health at all for the 1.3m, plus those who live with them.

The other alternative is we say, if you're old, have a disability, or a chronic disease, whatever age you are and however fit and well you are otherwise, well.... it's tough ****, you just have to face the very good chance that you could die or have your life affected for the worse, because you're in a minority.

I'm sure you don't hold that latter view, though I'm sure some may well do.

 

Travelling for work and needed to do stuff to meet deadlines whilst travelling.

Had pre-booked seat from Bristol to Leeds, just got settled down and this couple in their 60's boarded. No seats left and they were approaching people asking them to stand to let them sit down with everyone refusing. Old bloke tapped me on the shoulder and said would you mind letting my wife sit down until our stop, we are getting off soon. I took pity and said yeah ok, guess I'm ok for a while. They got off at Wakefield Westgate including delays, I ended up standing for nearly 4 hours with none of my work done.

Getting off soon. Not falling for that line so easily again haha.

 

Yeah, sick notes count for nothing with the Bradford Factor. It still impacts the business whatever you’re off for so they class it as the same as someone who’s lying as it has the same impact on them, sod the unwell person.

See the example below. I get that ten times of absences in a year is bad but look at the state of that score for the same number of days off. Someone could need regular check ups for a chronic condition.

 

Sh*t for you and them lying is not on but 4 hours is a long time! I couldn’t imagine being one of the people who refused when directly asked by an elderly(ish) person for a seat.

 

Since I've been paying full fare I've never given up my seat on a bus or a train. I've just taken care not to sit in a priority seat or where the seats fold to allow bikes or disabled passengers on.

I had an incident with a Doctor at Sheffield Station one morning. The bike section was full and I was sat in the section for prams and I wouldn't move to let the guy get his bike in position. I argued that it was for prams and wheelchairs etc. He sulked and delayed the train pulling the guard over. The guard moved me on.

Bikes...I've 5hit em'.

 

True but in life we can't cover all bases. I used influenza as comparison as that's the nearest thing to covid in terms of passing on the infection etc. Those vulnerable people after the flu vaccine are asked to live with it, even though they may be not safely able to do so. So we can't single out covid is what I'm saying.

We either have sweeping measures designed to change public health as a whole but certainly not to start on individual illnesses like covid. But with the range of medical conditions out there, how do you cover all bases? It's an impossible task.

Unfortunately vulnerable people do have to live with many things, covid is just part of a whole myriad of things.

 

That’s selfish of you. He just wanted to get to work like you, no point making a fuss.

 

So given that people pass on a variety of viruses through breathing, the answer is there, no? Assuming you want to protect the elderly and vulnerable?

 

You can't stop breathing in case you pass covid on.

 

Obviously.

But you can hugely reduce the risk of passing it on by some extremely simple measures. The question being though, does our general society value the elderly and vulnerable enough to make tiny modifications to how they live their lives?

Sadly, I think i know the majority answer.