How many ex-miners would vote for Tories???

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  1. jud

    judith charmers Well-Known Member

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    A think the answers above have gone some way to answeringy question.

    From the perspective of my daily life/family/work then I believe that a conservative government would be more beneficial to me than a labour government......BUT historically what those *******s did to my community in the 80's plays on my mind and the thought of going against the grain and essentially turning my back on the 1000's of genuine blokes that lost everything makes me think that I should put my thoughts and beliefs to oneside and stand united against Mr Cameron and his lapdogs
     
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    .................................What you fail to realise is that all the hard won victories of the working class, especially those won with the blood of the Second World War only exist if we keep fighting for their very existence....


    ..........So why give it ALL AWAY to 250,00 +++ per year flooding into the country ???

    Yer right........it needs fighting for..........the fights of the past were fought to maintain the British way of life.............those fights were not fought and those lives were not given...........for someone years down the line to give it away !!!

    ............ANOTHER VERY IMPORTANT REASON TO VOTE UKIP
     
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    Well said JC
    As it's not only in the past its in the present working people need representation the number of working families needing charity is disgusting .s certain poster on here has said we're living in the past! That's because he's a selfish person and because he doesn't need representation fek everybody else.
    Thankfully the majority of Barnsley people look after their own and even when they are the OK, look after others interests,I think that's why not voting Tory is popular amongst barnsley people and that's a good thing.
     
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    Never voted Tory, stopped voting labour after Blair showed his true colours. Just because my dad voted labour doesn't mean i will. They are all lying sods, Britain parliament needs a good clear out. I will be voting UKIP.
     
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    Then like it or not your voting Tory. RIGHT WING TORY at that (Neil fekin Hamilton thatchers dogsbody)

    PS

    They're all lying sods including ukip (Tory)
     
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    A conservative led government is definately beneficial for our country.

    But For gods sake, William Wallace Robert the Bruce Freedom..all in the past and with what us English did to the Scots back then ,now were looking at them running our country should we end up with a Labour/snp government!!!

    Even the Germans and the war it was in a different era and we all now accpet that the Germans have one of the best and stable economies in the world ,we have to move on..let the past be exactly that and vote for the best deal for the country.

    Fact - a conservative government is better for all our fortunes with current policies,the country in balance is now starting to dust itself down from the deep holes left by an inadequate labour rule that falsely created hope and prosperity ...do you want a rug pulled from under you?

    A labour government in my opinion will possibly bankrupt this country trying to borrow the country out of trouble.

    We need business in this country look after them,they create the jobs = prosperity for all .Drive business away and the countries in deep trouble.

    Ukip have some decent policies and should do reasonably well and if the policies were slightly more smooth and rounded I feel that they would be true contenders.

    Snp,socialist labour,lib dem ..going nowhere and couldn't run a bath.

    So labour or conservative?

    If you want a job ,lower unemployment,real prosperity after austerity ,and a food chain that looks after the one that feed further down keeping the food chain working then conservative.

    If you want a bust country ,running on borrowed debt that you and our families will have to pay back somehow (although in the short term it may feel better) labours your team.

    Reality is the parliament will probably be hung and I don't want Snp involved at all so conservative/ukip/lib dem will do for me.


    Only opinion by the way and I respect everyone else's ,just my way of thinking.
     
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    An opinion that's so wrong it could've been written by Cameron himself.
    Did Cameron reduce the deficit like he promised. no
    Apparently this Govt borrowed 3 times more money during this term than the last Govt did during their last 3 spells. The economy has always been good for the richest in this country and by have the Tories looked after them.
     
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    you do know you are voting tory then dont you?
     
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    The aren't though.. They are voting for ab extreme right wing Party
     
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    Deficit has been reduced. It is the annual totting up.

    Debt is the one that has been increased.

    As an example in 2007 Labour borrowed £38bn of which £27bn was invested in large capital projects.

    In 2013 the current government borrowed £91.5bn of which £23 was invested in large capital projects.

    (Figures from BBC)

    Now to try to be objective, the Labour figures were in the last year before the global banking crisis therefore if they had been returned in 2010 the borrowing in 2013 may have been similar to the Tories. Pure speculation though.


    Source http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25944653
     
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    23 quid, what did they invest in, a fold up chair for Number 10's back yard?
     
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    Yeh olreight yer clever bugger !
     
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    :D
     
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    It doesn't matter to me if its right or left.........or north or south or east.

    What matters is what makes 'common sense'.........and you know what they say about 'common sense'.........its not that common.

    And its definitely not common within the Westminster brigade (Tory/Libs/Labour)...........so it needs to change..........that's why I will vote UKIP

    And if you read UKIPs Manifesto you will see for yourself that 'common sense' is a thread that runs all the way through it.

    There maybe bits and bobs you don't agree with but I can guarantee you will agree with most of it.

    UKIP are un-PC..........they say what the others dare not say
     
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    My problem or question to the tories is that as mentioned labour borrowed and borrowed an then some. The conservatives told us that through austerity they would put the country right as long as we could all struggle etc etc to put it right, pay off our debts, this would reduce the GDP and would be better thus being a better contry etc etc. Yet for 3/4 years of struggle (for a lot of people) we have paid nothing off the debt and this has actually increased ....EH!!!!!
    Also I did know a Barnsley miner who voted tory (he did work the entire strike and did very very well out of it all)
     
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    Labour's problem wasn't investing in public services. They had to. 18 years of Tory rule had left them in tatters. People forget what schools were like, lessons in leaking portakabins, hours and hours in hospital waiting rooms etc. The problem is how they chose to fund it through PFI and borrowing. Largely because of Iraq because a) they'd blown so much money on it and b) it made them so unpopular they couldn't make the case for progressive taxation to pay for things as they wouldn't have won an election.

    But what everyone forgets is up to bailing out the banks as the world economy crashed the Tories had said they would match Labour's spending. They'd have borrowed the same, spent the same. And where Labour failed to regulate the City of London which caused the recession, the Tories would have deregulated them further.

    The Conservatives have spun this line that Labour failed to put away money in the good times to fix the roof when it was raining. They didn't put money away because they were fixing the whole run-down house they inherited. I don't agree with how they paid for it but you won't find anything from the time where the Conservatives said they wouldn't be spending the same or suggesting they would raise taxes to pay for it.
     
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    PFI is and has been a disaster. Because the payments were off the UK plc balance sheet it made everything look rosy at the time, but now it is being shown up for what it is. And the buildings have about a 25 year lifespan we are storing up trouble down the line. Also interesting to research the links between the finance houses behind promoting it and the govt of the time. Advising govt on PFI then making money out of it.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...irms-make-quick-killing-from-pfi-9488351.html

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/aug/21/pfi-conjuring-trick-mps
    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/jul/05/pfi-cost-300bn
     
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    Can I ask a question to you guys? This austerity where has all the money gone then (serious question) I talk to people who have really struggled (good hard working people too). They have less, so somebody must have more of their err less!
    Why has nothing been paid off the national debt, after all this struggle but for a cheaper ASDA shop.

    Also One worry for me is policing, the world, a much more dangerous place (if you see and believe the media and world events) and yet policing staffing levels are ridiculous.
     
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    http://www.positivemoney.org/issues/debt/


    Here you go.

    Labour/Tories et al are allying to us - without massive reform, the banks benefit at our expense. No major party will change anything as it would jeapordise their chances of a nice consultancy job after politics.
     

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