Howard and Reid out tomorrow

I agree, it will take 2 seasons to completely disassemble the

promotion winning squad.

 

Completely disassemble the promotion squad

If the players were the same as the promotion team
We could all put our feet up by now because we would know what division we were in next season

















And it wouldn't be the Championship (titanic) (titanic) (titanic)

 

So in addition to the ones already here

this latest 11 doesn't constitute a 'full' squad ?</p>

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Sounds to me like we've brought makeweights in then. What good is that ?</p>

Look, I know you're upset that you were so wrong about Ritchie the previous season, but try to be sensible. I bet you still think Ritchie refused to sign <u>any</u> players.</p>

 

"Davey has brought in the players he could get"...

Have you thought, perhaps, that Ritchie didn't bring players in for precisely this reason? i.e. These were the only players available to him and, predominantly, no better (and in some cases, a damn sight worse) than the ones we had?

 

Yes, letting Burns, McPhail and Shuker go has been a loss.

Pity we couldn't afford to keep them.

 

I was that wrong about Ritchie - he now manages a team in the 1st Division



As for last season - during the run in and the play offs we played well ONCE - at Huddersfield
We were very very lucky to get promotion
And in spite of Ritchie, our luck may hold out this season as well

 

The play-offs where we gifted 3 goals away and still won?

Those play-offs?

 

RE: I was that wrong about Ritchie - he now manages a team in the 1st Division

Dear me. Have a day off.

 

Mmmm, in the same way we were a League One team...

...and a mediocre one at that, and he got us promoted in his first season in charge?

Do you mean being in charge of a League One team in that way?

 

RE: Mmmm, in the same way we were a League One team...

No he's ignoring the fact he said Ritchie and the team didn't have it in them to get promoted last year.</p>

This year's antics ( all Ritchie's fault, nobody elses, Ritchie didn't want to bring experienced Championship standard players in at all, he deliberately wanted to set off this season with a League 1 team ) have delighted the Nudge.</p>

 

Im not judging anyone mate

I am 100% behind Simon Davey. I think , in time he will make a good manager. I am keeping everything crossed that we manage to stay up and if we do; I will take my hat off to Davey for doing a sterling job under very tough circumsntances and the board for making a successful but very risky decision - that's what they are there to do, make tough decisions and at the end of the day they will live or die by those decisions (just as Simon Davey will and Andy Ritchie did).

I just think your point lacks any substance; you can't blame Ritchie for our thin squad when a different bloke has been in charge for half the season and seen two transfer windows pass - it just doesn't make sense.

I think there is an element of truth in some of your opinions, but saying stuff like that just takes away the validity of them and makes you look a little bit silly.

Just my opinion like.

 

I agree with most of that...

Except, if Davey does keep us up it will more by accident than design on the part of Shepherd. I don't believe for a moment Shepherd has any prophetic foresight that identified Davey as a potentially top manager I think he simply saw the bargain basement price.

Credit to Davey and the work he's put in but it could've gone disasterously wrong...

 

You're not trying to make out there's an element of schadenfreude in Nudge's postings...

Perish the thought...

 

You may say that

I couldn't possibly comment.</p>

He's not on his own on here though. If it means in their own mind that they're correct about something, they'll wallow in anyones 'failure'.</p>

 

RE: Yes, letting Burns, McPhail and Shuker go has been a loss.

Burns left because he had a very slim chance of playing for Australia in the World Cup. It had nothing to do with the Reds not paying him a decent wage.</p>

McPhail was lured away by PRiddy and wasn't worth the money be was on anyway. He only bothered to turn up when his contract was coming to an end. </p>

Shuker thought he was much better than he was. His form over the last half of the season was poor and he was only worth the contract he was offered.
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RE: Yes, letting Burns, McPhail and Shuker go has been a loss.

Burns, however, was under contract to us at the time and the decision to release him from it WAS our decision.</p>

I don't see it as a great loss as I didn't see him as a worldbeater in League One, let alone the Championship. It was the fact we released him without any hope of replacement at a critical stage in the season that baffles me.</p>

Shuker, likewise, arguably good enough but no other Championship club leapt in for him. And as for the withdrawn contract and paltry sums of money involved to keep him, I think there is far more than meets the eye to that one. Even Shepherd isn't so tight as to sink the ship for such a small hap'orth of tar. Something went off.</p>

McPhail was not &quot;allowed&quot; to leave. He was a free agent and has been a regular in a top-half side. But I am pretty sure we couldn't possible pay him what Cardiff are paying and I agree we got half a season from him for a 2-year lucrative deal when he was here. I defend the decision not to pull out all the stops to get him to resign. It is a pity that the money wasted on inadequate signings since then would have gone a long way to signing a suitable replacement had we acted close season.</p>

 

my opinion on shuker is that somebody had already 'found' mcindoe (and it wasn't ritchie) and so needed shut of shuker in order to be able to afford to bring him in.

 

Had crossed my mind. nt

 

I didn't know that ritchie was so good with computers

Did you see how he repeatedly hacked into the official barnsley site and published news stories pretending that he was trying to sign certain players then publishing more saying that the club hadnt been successful in bringing in ANY of them.


This season as I see it:

1. Barnsleyfc.co.uk says reds will sign box office.

2. Barnsley board decides to withdraw shukers contract offer despite manager wishing he could stay.

3. Direct replacement for Shuker is signed by the chairman while manager is on holiday.

4. Barnsleyfc.co.uk says ritchie tries to sign player X

5. Barnsleyfc.co.uk says that we were unsuccessful in signing player X.

6. Repeat steps 4 and 5 several times.

7. Sheffield Wednesday ask to speak to ritchie about vacant maanger's position.

8. Gordon shepherd turns down this request and offers ritchie a new contract.

9. Before any contract can be signed, ritchie is sacked and one of the reasons given is that he didnt want to sign any players (points 4 and 5 anyone?)

10. Simon Davey is appointed caretaker manager.

11. Ryan Kidd is appointed as assistant manager.

12. The chairman says that there are still 5 people to interview for the job which cant be done until after the christmas period.

13. Simon Davey is given the job full time after a 3 nil loss at home against our local rivals. Reasons given: He won 11 out of 7 games, his application for the job, despite not applying was second to none and his points per game average was better than ritchie's (but only if you dont include about 80% of his time at barnsley)

Have I got that about right?

 

could STILL go wrong !!! nt