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  1. pompey_red

    pompey_red Well-Known Member

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    but if every planning application across the country stated 3000 jobs and delivered 30 there would be rumbling. I’m not disagreeing these things often over promise and under deliver but if it happens every time why is nothing done and why aren’t people up in arms about it
     
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    Because it's perfectly legal to do it
     
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    See tha needs to calm down nar, what I'm trying to get to is, you have no Idea what negotiations went on or what was agreed, or do you?
     
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    They are offered money, it's known as a Section 106 contribution, it's supposed to be used to mitigate against loss of green space ...amongst other things, but its a relatively small amount overall.
    Obviously in the past the use of brown envelopes to individual council officials was rife....the Poulson Scandal and Donnygate being two of the biggest.
     
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    Why do I need to calm down? Im laid on my sofa quite relaxed.

    I know Hermes applied to build, the diggers pulled up on the fields,the council said yes, the diggers dug.
     
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    We are desperate for jobs and all the benefits that brings (including ongoing revenue for the local authority).

    By “weak”, I think the feeling is that if BMBC started trying to dictate to Hermes regarding the proposed location, they may simply take the jobs elsewhere.

    It’s always very difficult to negotiate if you feel you are in a position of weakness. Hermes is offering jobs; we need them; and Hermes will be well aware of that.
     
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    I think the council will get top dollar for green belt & with a big housing development in a prime area once again will mean maximum return , its handy for the M1 , however that in itself brings problems for the locals , there seems to be a number of times in recent years when problems on the M1 means a diversion off the motorway & through Birdwell & Hoyland Common to Chapletown which always results in hours of gridlock , just what we need is a giant Herpes plant & the hundreds & hundreds of vehicles that will bring every week just to add to the regular carnage on local routes .
     
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    Yaaay some sense at last. Thanks.
     
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    Simply because they inflate the figures to make a project look more attractive, they employ consultancies to provide 'evidence' that there will be little environmental damage. Their people can say anything they like to a planning Cttee, there are no penalties as it's only quasi judicial.
     
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    Crikey, that Birdwell roundabout will be a bloody nightmare when that lot is all finished. It's bad enough now with the stupid decision to let Aldi into a unsuitable location.
     
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    If the jobs are sustainable in that they are not destroying the planet then fine. If they aren’t, and people are losing part of their green environment as well, then imo that’s pisspoor short termism.
     
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    A lot of people that are kicking up a fuss seem to know little about the development and what’s going where - I find that strange. These masterplans have been in place for quite some time. Whether it was Hermes or someone else, this land was being developed no matter what. It’s prime warehousing space in the middle of the country with easy access to motorways. As people have already suggested, BMBC simply can’t afford to lose out on this type of development as they’re already way behind a number of other towns so difficult decisions will be made. People often quote Cawthorne and suggest this would never happen there - of course it wouldn’t, it’s too far away from the motorway and has poor road access. However, the MU1 site is fairly close by and the development there is pretty much identical to this.

    It’s also interesting to look at who owns what land as some private owners obviously want to develop and the council can’t stop that. Granted, the council have sold some pockets for development, however, just take a look at all these private owners on the land on just one side of the Dearne Valley Parkway:

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    It’s fairly easy to use google and companies house to identify the people involved in these businesses.

    It’s also worth noting that these developments are the only reason the roads around the old Birdwell Roundabout were changed and, therefore, future traffic requirements have supposedly been factored in. Cross Keys Roundabout is where the new link road to Hermes will be accessed from (the non-signalled second roundabout when heading towards Hoyland from Birdwell). Traffic to Elsecar, Wentworth, and Chapeltown will also be signed to use this new route.
     
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    You say the Council can't stop private owners developing, thats incorrect, if a development is inappropriate it doesn't matter who owns it.
     
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    But it can only be refused if there are valid planning grounds for a refusal. Otherwise an applicant would just appeal and the council would face legal costs to defend their decision and potentially having to pay the other party's legal costs.
     
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    my wife once sent a parcel to Eire when her boss told her the address and said Hoyland
     
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    When I was a kid, my Mum used to go to Hoyland once a week and she always made it back to make my Tea. I thought she was Wonder Woman :):)
     
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    ha ha
     
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    I always found Ireland Alloys in Hoyland confusing.
     
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    always imagined it as a place people shouted at you to attract your attention
     
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    There was a reyt pile of coyle at the side of Tankersley Lane the other week.
     

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