I cant believe this!

It seems to me that the worst thing that happens for the Labour voters, is a Labour Government.

 

If you live in the former industrial heartlands the TORIES DO NOT GIVE A **** ABOUT YOU - simple as that.

As Goughie is now a professional showbiz type it doesn't really matter to him what happens in Barnsley

What I want to know is if the Tories are going to cut income tax if/when they get in - what will they sell off to fund it this time?

 

Good on him

Come on you Tories!

 

What I want to know is, what will Labour do when they get in.... Hang on a sec, they are in and have been for the past 12 years.

Please remind me when we'll see the benefits or are we still going through that transitional period where we can still blame past governments?

 

To answer that would require the Tories to actually have some policies

And don't expect that. Anyone who thinks a Tory government will cut taxes is deluding themselves. They will however cut funding to public services, and if the figure of fiscal ineptitude that George Osbourne is anything to go be they will waste more money than the Major government did

 

Whatever issues you have with Labour, and I have plenty

This attitude that Labour have done nothing for this country is absolute nonsense. The minimum wage is a huge watershed in British society. The majority of falling apart schools have been replaced with new modern buidlings, free museums, HUGE investment into northern cities (look at Sheffield as a prime example) and as popular as it is to bash the NHS it is in an infinitely better state than when they got in to power. We don't realise how lucky we are in this country havving free universal healthcare and when ever I've required it it has been fantastic.

Labour have messed up a lot of things, alienated core voters and took us into unpopular wars (which the Tories would also have done) but its just lazy argument to say they've done nothing in the last 12 years

 

RE: To answer that would require the Tories to actually have some policies

Agree completely - that's what I was alluding to

I also agree with everything you say lower down

 

RE: Whatever issues you have with Labour, and I have plenty

and you forgot one other element. They have bankrupted the UK.

 

The labour government have done exactly what has been behind the collapse of the world's economy. They have spent money they didn't have and it has come to the point where there is no way of paying it back. Yet they are still burying their heads in the sand and pretending that they don't need to make any cuts. Well in fact, they know they need to make cuts, but they just want to lie about it in the hope that they will be re-elected.

They started out well, they're finishing off appallingly, exactly the same as the previous Tory government. They have different ideals, inevitably after too long in charge the results are the same. A complete **** up.

 

Not really true

Every single country in the world is massively in debt, we were before Labour and we will be after Labour. The difference is Labour invested money in public services. The difference in the level of debt would have been negligible had the Tories been in power throughout the period, but the difference in the quality of public services would have been fundamental.

 

Where does it actually say he's a Tory?

It says he supports a friend who is standing for the Conservatives - many people would vote for a friend even if they were standing for a party they might not normally vote for.

 

RE: Whatever issues you have with Labour, and I have plenty

I think that irresponsible multi-national corporations and banks that governments have no control of have bankrupted the country.Tory Labour did try and bring some control into the financial sector with the FSA but didn't give it enough power.The Eton Mess Party want to let a bank regulate banks,which is where it all started in the first place. The curse of Thatcher will blight this country for ever

 

Every govenrment there has ever been has spent more than they have, its the way governments work. The cuts issue will carry on but there is a strong argument that you shouldn't make cuts but to continue to spend on public works which will stimulate economic growth. At the moment Labour are stating they will purse this Keynesian policy, whether they will or not I don't know. Peronsally I think its the best solution, but plenty of economist would disagree, as many also would

 

RE: Where does it actually say he's a Tory?

Not really

 

It's nothing short of irresponsible to pretend that to continue borrowing money will somehow make debt go away. Particularly when the actual facts of it is they are making dramatic cuts across the board every day. Ask local Councils and how much increase in funding they're in receipt of to bring forward capital investment? Ask local police forces whether their annual budgets for staffing have, stayed the same, increased or been cut dramatically?

If Brown was saying half the things he says in Westminister in a court of law he'd be locked up.

 

RE: Where does it actually say he's a Tory?

I think it's pretty clear from that he's a Tory

 

Well whether me or you believe its the best way forward Keynesian economics is a principle that has successfully and unsuccessfully been apllied before in response to recession, but thats why its difficult for us to make our minds up whether its the right thing or not. For every economist who will argue its the right course of action another won't.

From personal experience money is being made available. i work for a local authority and work in the housing sector and £1.5 bn Housing Pledge had just been made available which is in part resuce packages for stalled development and in part investment in additional affordable housing which will create new homes and most importantly in the current climate new jobs

 

There are a number of pet projects around the Country being invested in. The money is not coming from nowhere though, it's coming out of dramatic cuts that other services are having to make. They are not finding additional money to pay for this, they are stripping it from elsewhere. Rest assured, people will be losing their jobs to make way for this new investment.

 

I'm sure there will be, but had Labour not invested in public services over the last 12 years they would still be in the same postion because the world economy would still be in recession. Cameron has said we should have put money away for a rainy day but if labour hadn't spent a penny for 12 years the country would still be heavily in debt and would still have to deal with the global recession. The difference is we are doing this with a country whose public services are infinitely better than when Labour got in to power. The irony is any cuts made will be from Labour investment which wouldn't have existed under the Tories so we will still be better off

 

See, now you're doing theory versus reality.

The reality is the Country is quite ****** and because we've over stretched significantly, we will be for the next 20-30 years as a result. There's been no caution in the approach to spending. Brown convinced himself that there would never be another hard recession, because he'd got it covered. As a result he sold off our gold reserves and pissed money left, right and centre. Inevitably, if you throw enough money at something it will improve. Just like Chelsea FC, but you look at the balance sheet and what would happen if something went wrong.

Personally I'd prefer a little more responsibility from my Government. It's our money after all.