I reckon we will not hear owt,

Do we want the best person for the job or the best person available now?

 

Succession planning is not just about identifying a target in advance of needing them, it's about doing all the donkey work you describe in addition.
No use finding out 'Primary target X' and his team can't get permits now, when we should have identified that aspect, and eliminated accordingly, even in such as situation where Schopp was flying and the team was set for a play-off push.

Always have a target!! We are told they are meticulous, but I wonder.

 

Dont think we will get either...

 

If we're appointing somebody to keep us up, then the best person available now is the best person for the job. That's the position we have put ourselves into.

 

So if there was someone out there who would have a better chance to keep us up but not available until January you wouldn’t want to wait for them?

Equally if we got the right person for BFC for the next 3-5 years but meant a year in L1 would they be worth waiting for?

All ifs and buts granted, but just interested in peoples opinions given the choice.

Best person now or best person long term

 

For the first scenario, keeping ourselves in touch in January would require the sort of upturn in form that would lead to calls for Laumann to be given the job for the season anyway. So I'd say that's a non-starter.

If offered it now, I would accept a year in League 1 in exchange for a coach that can build for a number of years. But given current finances, a quick return from League 1 would be less likely than after our last relegation. A coach staying for that length of time seems even less likely at the moment as well.

Normally I would say best person long term, but nobody ever stays long term. Plus we're in such a mess, we just need somebody to sort us out and make us a better proposition for anybody that might be here long term.

 

If we don't get someone in within the next week or two we are going down in my opinion. January is too far away.

 

Ok.. if we're playing scenarios, Then what if the coach you're waiting for decides in January to stay where they are after all..or goes elsewhere.
And if we drop to L1.. instead of coming straight back up we we spend the next 3 seasons in L1.. all maybe's but both outcomes just as likely as yours.. Cos everyone's just guessing..

 

In the near 4 years we've had these owners, this will be their 7th permanent head coach (Heckingbottom, Morais, Stendel, Struber, Ismael and Schopp), or 10th if you include caretakers (Hartley, Murray, Laumann).

The notion of someone staying here for 3 years let alone 5 seems like complete fantasy. As such I can't see any point in doing anything but look to solve the next short term problem. That means we need to stay up.

If I look at it for what I think is needed, I'd look for someone who would have a chance at keeping us up on a short term deal and then we take a view in the summer. It looks like the players need an authoritarian and to be heavily coached, so they would be the criteria. I can't stand the football of Warnock and McCarthy, but they are probably whats needed given the disconnect with fans and the laissez faire attitudes of some players. I wouldn't want to watch it, but it might be a temporary plaster on an arterial bleed to steady the sinking ship.

I think whoever we appoint needs as much time as possible to give us a chance. I don't see us suddenly improving overnight. I think we need a change of system and tactics, and that will take time to bed in.

What I suspect will happen will be someone who just meets the UK immigration criteria that will either be sacked in the summer or move for compensation.

 

Looking at the "linked"candidates from abroad Wolf and Blessin both fit the bill but I don't think they would qualify post brexit rules.If we are to appoint an overseas coach he would have to have exceptional qualifications to come to this country.
As for home based coaches I think Neil and Lowe stand out possibly Flynn beyond that nobody is smacking me in the face.
It's going to be a tough call for the Ceo to sort out.

 

Agree with Durkin,there are no guarantees we would come straight back up ala Sheffield utd,Sunderland,Ipswich amongst others.

 

Only 4 points off, based on current form it would be around 6(based on 25 games played).

 

Unfortunately the reality is where we are over historical managers.

 

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You’re right we are guessing.
There is no right or wrong answer to the question I posed just opinions.

 

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I agree, coming straight back would be hard

 

Unfortunately the turn over of managers goes with the territory these days, if a team is struggling for results todays fans demand their head & I think many chairmen are not capable of holding their nerve & the days of the long term manager for teams who are not successful are a thing of the past , for an example our arch enemies Sheffield Wednesday had a points penalty last season & were always up against it but still managed to go through four managers in one season & so it goes on , the list of six managers you mention for us is slightly mis leading as three of those were not sacked & actually moved on for better things but to me fan pressure is now the biggest ingredient towards the changing of the manager , you only have to read our fans comments who are getting restless because a replacement has not been announced inside 10 days , it is ludicrous , there is absolutely no patience , I diverse slightly but another example is recruiting players during a transfer window , if a club does not make signings within a short amount of time then the fans are once again banging their drums . I personally have lost any faith I had in our owners & I am convinced they would not lie straight in bed & to be honest I couldn"t give a monkeys when or who they give the job to , apathy has well & truly set in, deep down I hope they get it right but if they do not the fans will soon tell them & will be demanding another change , thats how it is these days .

 

I wasn't leaning the post to be misleading, more that if a coach has even moderate success (Struber), they move on. If they fail, they are sacked. The only way I can see coaches staying longer than a season is if they are viewed to have underperformed, but we aren't relegated.

There's no basis for stability on the pitch. And the same goes off it too as we apply the same principles everywhere apart from the board room.

And I can fully understand any apathy, particular those forced to move.

 

Some might suggest the playing staff have been on holiday since the end of last season given the league position of Barnsley FC at the moment.

 

Something ive argued about since their arrival (or within 8 months!), i have no confidence in this boards long term plan ....because they dont have one.
They sell players and coaches for short term gain and because of that we are constantly firefighting. Therefore we are now in a situation where we need a real firefighter (a warnock)....consequently even if we had a brilliant coach who took us down but turned into league one superstars....he would be sold and sold fast. The whole process would be begin again.

 

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