I see that they are trying to find a way to sack Shaun Wright

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  1. tobyornottoby

    tobyornottoby Well-Known Member

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    Rewind a bit

    Do you have children?

    Why would yours be anywhere near the influence of a "gang", as you put it?

    And if they were, what would you do about it? Expect to be saved by the "authorities"?

    This is exactly what is wrong with much of "society". Do sod all, sit back and let others take the blame.
     
  2. Marlon

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    Think you need to rewind I don t thinkyou listened or understood anything that's been reported
    Blaming the children for being abused says it all for me.
    And if you think you are in control of your children at all to times you are living in cloud cuckoo land IMO .unless your a complete control freak
     
  3. tobyornottoby

    tobyornottoby Well-Known Member

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    There is no point further discussing

    The parents. It's the parents!!
    The abusers!! It's the abusers!!

    Then it's those who pick up the pieces after that......but only they seem to take the blame
     
  4. Marlon

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    Ffs
    As a parent they went to the police who should be holding the law but ignored them and threatened them with arrest"ffs arresting the parents " you have no fekin clue end of .
     
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    I think the point being missed is that it shouldn't matter one iota if the kids come from dysfunctional families, care homes or loving families - there was a massive failure to protect these kids. I know that some families did try to do something and were ignored or even threatened when they tried to get help. The police and social services have a lot to answer for and I know they do a very difficult job but in many of these cases they were presented with facts which they ignored. By doing this they failed some very vulnerable people.
     
  6. tobyornottoby

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    It does not matter indeed where these kids come from.

    But responsibility is passed like a hot potato to someone other than those actually responsible

    Dysfunctional? That's the kind of word that the authorities use

    Do not just blame the "authorities".

    Did the wife give birth to our kid and say "if owt goes wrong let's blame Barnsley MBC"?

    "Systematic failure" is another one.

    Sacking one bloke does not hide the individual failures. Brought about by a system that assumes that parents don't need to give a toss if they don't want to.Someone else will do it for them

    Your dysfunctionals. My feckless.
     
  7. Gloria Stitts

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    The parents went to the police and were ignored or even arrested, the gangs themselves were also involved in drug dealing and gun running and it would have been dangerous to confront them, they did the right thing and went to the police, the police, either through fear, incompetence or corruption, did nothing in most cases, they are the ones who need to be investigated and Parliament says the same.
     
  8. Marlon

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    Some of them did not have parents who do you blame then.certainly not according to you those that are being well paid for it..
    You have no clue on the subject and your morals are very questionable imo
     
  9. Marlon

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    Can't believe Im agreeing with you.but I am
     
  10. tobyornottoby

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    Some of them did not have parents?

    I blame The Christians for a Divine Conception theory
     
  11. Marlon

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    I blame thi dad for hitting thi rarnd head too much
     
  12. tobyornottoby

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    You are a parent. You are responsible. Why are your children at risk in the first place?

    In the unlikely event that you can't control your own child then fair enough.

    But don't just blame the council for what you can't control yourself

    If you accept that you can't control your own kid then it has to be understood that owt could happen thereafter

    So who is principally at fault?
     
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    I can no longer take you seriously in this post.
     
  14. tobyornottoby

    tobyornottoby Well-Known Member

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    Wrong again!

    She worra bewitched alcohol hating Methodist was my mother. With benign father.

    In fact I reckon me and my sister were divine conceptions
     
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    Still the police and the authorities are to blame. Irrepsective of the parents' role in any of the 1400 cases, the police and authorities had the power to stop what was going on. They are the law for christ sake, there's no higher power when it comes to preventing crimes. They did nothing, hey, they effectively stood by and encouraged the grooming. There will always be kids who aren't in the command of their parents, who fall into crime or dangers, that's why we have social services and the police, who we trust to step in. That trust has been shattered. 1400 victims. It's a scandal of our time.
     
  16. tobyornottoby

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    They are next in line.......after parents.....perpetrators..........no doubt about it.

    Saying they are the law is to complain further down the line

    You should not need the law. The law is where you go if your house has been burgled.

    But you take precautions. You don't allow your daughter to have nobody to protect her from an intruder.

    The police deal with what has happened

    Why can't parents stop it happening in the first place?
     
  17. Marlon

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    I reckon you were found in the slug patch
     

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