If that was a penalty last night

Having now seen it.
Imo a penalty.
If we can't agree. It just shows how difficult a decision can be. Regardless of the ref or VAR.

 

We were owed that penalty after the Koeman game back in 1993.

 

It doesn't make the slightest difference who initiated the contact, he put his studs up to where Kane's foot would be if he took the shot. If you lead with studs anywhere on the field expect to walk.

 

Here's the still of it. There really is no argument, it's a penalty all day long.

 

No penalty for me. It's a contact sport (supposedly) and it had no bearing on the flight of the ball. Still not as terrible as the Germany pen against Denmark though.

 

In the old days it was known as leaving a foot in....and that's exactly what he did as far as I can see.

 

I just think it looked a lot worse in slow motion than in reality.

 

I think it's a penalty. Doesn't mean I haven't seen much worse challenges that weren't given, the one in play-offs being an obvious example of a similar incident, but they are all cases of the referee making an incorrect decision, of getting it wrong. Last night, after studying the replay, he got it right.

The problem isn't that last night's penalty was given, it's that the one at Wembley wasn't.

 

Exactly this for me.

 

Nobody kicks the ball deliberately with their studs. So he was just wildly throwing a leg. Studs were up. Made contact. Penalty.

Whether you agree with the rules or not they are what they are.. and that's a penalty. That why he gave it after one look at VAR.. because it's the rule

 

As soon as the ref went to the monitor I knew he was going to award a spot kick.

 

I don't doubt it was a foul. Had the referee given it in real time, I don't think there could have been many complaints.

Is it a clear and obvious error? I'd say not because although there's clear contact, it hasn't affected Kane's shot, so I think based on that, it's not clear and obvious and shouldn't be overturned.

That being said, if the technology is there, use it. Why not have the ref run straight over to the monitor and give him the opportunity to change his mind. What is the point of the bloke in the van outside. He's making a subjective decision about another subjective decision. Widening the margin for error.

I think they got to the right decision last night, but only did so by misusing the rules. It's such a mess.

 

Your English is excellent for someone who comes from somewhere that it isn't the first language.

https://barnsleyfc.org.uk/threads/sh-t-england-v-sh-t-france.331218/#post-3317644

 

The main thing I dont understand is people keep saying "he caught kane". He didn't. Kane kicked the ball and followed through (naturally) kicking the back of the defenders boot. The contact is front of Kanes boot hitting the back of the defenders boot.

 

Not for me you've got to be able to attempt to defend and block the ball and kane strikes the ball then kicks the mans boot. If that's given against us I'd be absolutely fuming games gone soft.

 

I thought definitely a penalty, but if it wasn't i will still take it for the number of times England have lost because of dubious decsions

 

It's what's known as the defender leaving a foot in...straight red in most cases.

 

Pen all day. Right decision. Stopped a clear goalscoring chance, so should have been a red as well.

As much as I'd like to live in the days of Malcolm Shotton, things have moved on. I'm not a huge fan of how VAR is run, but that was a penalty. It was a penalty. England scored. Can't we be happy?

 

I didn't watch the game and just seen the incident.

If that's technically a penalty... The rules are quite simply wrong.

As a defender, how are you supposed to try and block that shot given the ball is off the floor? Your foot has to be raised, no? And if the player is directly in front of you, your leg will extend forward and up and your studs will lift.

There's no intent by the defender to catch the player, there's no force to it, its actually Kane who makes the contact, then does his silly little feet together jump in the air, tucks his knees before landing on the floor and rolls around. Is intent even reflected in the laws of the game anymore?

If that had been given against England, or against us, many spleens would be in danger. Truly a ridiculous decision.

 

Are you saying the VAR people and ref were in cahoots. ? If so how much changed hands.