If you know the history...

Agree with every bit of that.............

But some sad lonely people only go to football matches to shout abuse cos they have nothing better to do.

 

I think I've found him!

I claim the prize. e-red is Roundsman!!

P.S. It was four posts.....and how could you expect more maturity from a 12 year old? At least get your mild abuse consistent.(oh, and you started it (doh) (clown) )

 

RE: And what folks chanting "scabs" whilst spraying spit all over their fellow supporters forget is

I never otherwise shout nasty things or ever boo or anything else other than support for the team (except for that unfortunate incident at Chesterfield when I blurted out something not funny about the ref with the withered arm for which I apologised to all around me for at the time!!). However, to disassociate the strike from the community and hence the club is just wilful "head in the sand"ism.

I can't for the life of me see how you can say that the Forest fans won't know what shouting SCABS at them means no matter how old they are. I guess if they've never been to a match against Barnsley it might be possible (highly unlikely). To think that they just hear the shouts and say - "well what's that about then?" - "don't know" and then forget about it is a bit far-fetched. If they do that then it won't have harmed them anyway.

"Actively been scabs" is no where near the same as "never been involved" and you know it. It is events like these that form the history of a community and affect it for generations.

As for "unpleasantness". I'm not even going to start on this - as I said before - other than to say that I'm sorry if people find it unpleasant.

Finally. Where do you think it would be good to re-live it? (a bit of an over-the-top phrase) When would it be appropriate to remind people that there were scabs during the strike?

 

RE: And what folks chanting "scabs" whilst spraying spit all over their fellow supporters forget is

lets put it another way have you considered that in all probability they don't care a flying **** what your opinion is .

 

RE: I think I've found him!

Na Na Na Na Na (neer)

 

The old...

"If you don't do what we do, you're one of us."

Both Derby and Forest away were embarressing. There were kids of fifteen shouting 'scabs' at families. It was moronic, it was aggressive, it was abusive, and it was completely indiscriminate. Just idiot fifteen year old lads who should be on an ASBO, haven't got two brain cells to rub together, looking for something provocative and abusive to shout. Those kids never went down the pit - they've grown up in a Barnsley that hasn't got any pits, and they don't know what Barnsley was like when it did have pits. They live in a completely different society. It takes the dignity out of the strike. It means that people who want to remember it for all the wrong reasons, and want to paint the miners as a greedy, antisocial bunch, get the opportunity. Those idiots bring shame on Barnsley, and if you go round to football matches to shout 'scabs', yes I'm talking about you.

For me the miners were a hard working group of men, who wanted to provide for their families and protect their communities and their way of life. They were resilient, dignified and determined to stand up to the injustice of an oppressive right wing government. That does not come across when you have group of burberry clad idiots with their arms out, beckoning on a fight, shouting 'SCABS!' half pissed up.

There's nothing wrong with remembering the strike, but it's something to educate people about. Shouting 'scabs' at people doesn't fall into that bracket. If you had any respect at all you wouldn't let it come out of your mouth.

 

It will hit home with those who it deserves to hit home at - those who scabbed and those who are close to them. Believe me, the hardcore 1500 or so Notts strikers will know its not aimed at them. I don't care if there's only one actual scab in that away end.

 

what about the 'scabs' in the home end?

what about the selfish Barstewards that thought nothing of damaging property and attacking people for daring to try to earn a living during the 80's?

 

RE: what about the 'scabs' in the home end?

You think I care about any scabs in the home end. As for violence during the strike don't even go there. The worst violence came from the police and army personnel in un-numbered uniforms.

 

RE: what about the 'scabs' in the home end?

not all of it didn't some so called fling pickets nearly had me if one of the local lads had'nt recognised me Id have got a right kicking for commiting the heinous crime of being dressed up so therefore I must be have been a copper...go figure.

 

RE: The old...

Thought I'd repost it, as that is a top post matey.
I was at Derby & Forest and yes it was shameful. At Derby I even asked a couple of the 14yr old morons what a scab was, their answer.........." who gives a f**k, they're all scabs anyway". They haven't got a clue.
As I remember, only about half of Lancs miners striked solidly, so how come Preston, Burnley etc don't get the scab treatment, and then theres Leicestershire and North Wales as well. Hell, lets just shout scab at every team we play except Gillingham, cos Kent were 95% too.

Crazies.
For those that were involved in the strike I appreciate all the feelings that are still there, but its a sporting event ffs, a family occasion even.
Oh and just incase............ I'm 42, lived in Royston and was just leaving school in the middle of the strike.

 

RE: what about the 'scabs' in the home end?

I said the worst not the only. Swivel.

 

RE: what about the 'scabs' in the home end?

And that is classed as worse than anything the fact that you nearly got a kicking!

 

RE: The old...

Well said.

 

RE: The old...

Spot on mate.

 

yeah all honerable blokes during the strike........

explain that to the miner who was solid throughout, but to keep his missus and 4 kids (under 10) in food n clothes did a bit of DJing at clubs n weddings. The heavies went round and told him why should he be earning when his mates wernt? He refused to stop DJing so he got a kicking and all his equipment smashed.
Aye, great blokes, all that cammeraderie an all.

 

RE: Why re-live it at all?

Great post mate.

 

well said fired

 

RE: yeah all honerable blokes during the strike........

nah sorry7 mate they were all saints or have'nt you heard. I had every sympathy with the genuine guys but the rest ........(you know the ones nobody remembers pffff)