Introduction to Entertainment Index and Performance Index

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  1. Jack Tatty

    Jack Tatty Well-Known Member

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    Cauliflower index

    Cauli index

    Cauley index?

    Hmmmm
     
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    Jack Tatty Well-Known Member

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    Ever kissed a girl/boy?
     
  3. Red

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    If it was not for the lack of financial investment on my part, what you have described perfectly described why I have collected all of the data. Your reward is not the small profit that you are making, or the fact that it makes you better at predicting the results over the long term than your fellow investors, because that does not reward you adequately for the time that you have spent in collecting and analysing the data. My guess is that you simply enjoy the activity because it brings you more in closer contact with your hobby. That is why I began to keep the data on football. Frankly, it is a lot of work. A lot goes on that will be unseen by anyone. They will see only the end result and my analysis of it. It is for them to decide whether that analysis offers any insight, because I will be using that data as a prediction tool, and we will not know whether my predictions are accurate until we compare them to outcomes, but I prefer to use data than simply say the first thing that my emotional post-match reaction tells me is true. As you say, 30% correct is a decent score given all the variables.

    I decided to share that information, and I decided to explain how I arrive at my conclusions in advance. I did so because I thought others would be interested and would value my efforts. From the contributions to this thread so far, it appears not. My only decision given the reaction is whether to include the information in Minority Report. I still intend to do so, although there is no Minority Report for the next home game as I will not be attending. My logic is the same as with Minority Report. If people do not like it, no-one is forcing them to read. I had a very similar reaction when I first started publishing Minority Report. Some objected to the title. Some believed me to be elitist. Some simply did not like it because it was different. I have stopped publishing it in the past, and I do not rule out stopping again. It is my choice, just as publishing this data is. However, it is now clear that some value it, and because of that, I continue to produce it. My hope is that when people understand the data better, and realise that it is not that it produces a meaningful scoring system, that is the point of it. It is that it provides a meaningful comparison to the other teams in the Championship that are scored using the same data., and the same scoring system.

    I will always upset some people on the BBS. I thought long and hard about whether I should return after my last absence. I was getting into a lot of deep water in the way that I was responding to criticism. I resolved not to get drawn into pointless argument and my contributions to the BBS have become much more limited as a result. My relationship with the BBS is still not ideal, as can be seen by simply reading this thread, but for now I will continue. I have said it before that these things are what the majority want them to be, and given that I am in a minority, I am never going to have an ideal relationship. We will see, I guess.
     
  4. TitusMagee

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    This is my last ditch attempt.

    If you created a thread and said "right guys I'm interested in data and football so I thought I'd combine the two... here it is what do you think? I know it's based on attributes I find entertaining so it is not an exact science" then I guarantee 90% of your feedback would have been positive. The other 10% might think you're sucking the life out of something by over analysing it, but that's opinions.

    It is the total lack of humility, the air of superiority in giving things grandiose titles and basically referring to yourself in the third person that smacks of arrogance and gets people's backs up. You get told this time and time again yet you are unwilling to accept that there may be some truth to it, even if it isn't how you aim to come across- it doesn't mean you don't come across that way still. If countless people kept pointing out the same thing to me I wouldn't just shrug my shoulders and think, "oh that's their problem", I'd take a long hard look at myself and analyse my own behaviours.

    Respect is a two way thing. I think it is great that you are occupying yourself in retirement doing something that fascinates you. I just think it's a shame you appear to do it to make yourself feel more important and knowledgeable than the rest of us, whether that is the case or not it doesn't really matter. The fact is you keep on doing it.
     
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    So, you believe that I should alter my style, my way of writing my stuff, my whole method of presentation simply in order to satisfy your demands to conform. You know nothing about me other than my style of writing, and yet you have decided from that limited evidence that my style of writing represents me, and that I am elitist and arrogant. Does that seem reasonable? You insist that I should change my style of writing, which would be very hard for me to do, when all you have to do is to stop reading what I write in order to resolve your problem. You believe that I should conform to all the standards and norms that apply on here, which I would find very difficult to do, when all you have to do is avoid me. Does that really seem reasonable to you, because if it does, then perhaps you should start by analysing yourself rather than analysing me.
     
  6. TitusMagee

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    Nothing to do with conforming. And it's not "just me" criticising you is it? It is lots of people week in, week out.

    It's not me feeling all persecuted and going on about it each time. True colours starting to come through again though, I see.

    Blocked.
     
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    I see, add persecution complex to the rest of my failings.
     
  8. Stephen Dawson

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    I stopped Reading this thread when I read the OP was frustrated with a win at Anfield.
     
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    It's a bit sad to see the way this thread has gone. RR is sharing something that he clearly enjoys compiling, in the hope that it will lead to some debates about football. It feels odd that he attracts so much negativity at a time when we have posters moaning about a lack of football threads. His writing style may not suit everyone, but it is what it is.

    I'm baffled by people criticising him for talking about himself in the third person. He does not do this. He uses the words "Minority Report" when talking about the post-match report. He doesn't use "Red Rain".

    My only criticism of RR's style is the lack of contractions, which IMHO make the reports a tad formal. I find it helps if I adopt a Pathe News tone while reading them. ;)
     
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    MrsHallsToffeerolls Well-Known Member

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    Up the Cauliers.
     
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