is there anybody brave enough to admit that they won't sign the petition?

From a personal point of view, I'm surprised with anyone who doesn't sign it. I think 99% of people who have signed it are aware that it's higly unlikely that any kind of criminal proceeding are going to take place. However, the use of the elbow in those circumstances has absolutely **** all to do with sport, just because it was on a football pitch doesn't make it part of the game. It wasn't an over reaction to shirt pulling, it wasn't a movement for leverage, it was nothing but an intention to physically impede the player in order to get to the ball. While I'm 100% convinced that Morgan would not have intended the extent of the injury, I'm quite sure he will have been quite pleased with himself that he only got a yellow card for what he did as there is no way that it wasn't a deliberate act.

By signing the petition, it has kept up momentum and attracted further media attention to the cause and will hopefully embarrass the FA into some action. The legal stuff is for Hume, his family and the club to consider.

 

I'm still not signing it.

It would only be a matter of time until sliding tackles resulted in the Police entering the field of play & arresting players.
The sin bin at the side of the pitch would have bars & people throwing tomatoes at the criminals inside.

It's all getting a bit silly.

 

yes that's exactly what it would lead to isn't it?

Anyone who thinks that kind of elbowing is part of the game has a less impressive knowledge of the game then they might think.

Although I think tomato throwing is a great idea. Do you think Dennis would supply them cheap?

 

If it had been using his feet, I could agree with you. But deliberately hammering someone on the side of his head with his elbow, as he has done for years, is a different matter. I think the old leather ball should be brought back to replace the balloon the play with today. It would slow the game down considerably and give the officials a chance to catch most incidents. In my view the game is too fast for safe play, and if we are to continue with the balloon, a fifth official with access to TV replay etc. is essential.

 

If it were up to people on here:

Chris Morgan would be chained up & pelted with tomato sauce ... still in the glass bottle.

Of course elbowing isn't part of the game.
The scissor tackle isn't part of Rugby either.

Ban him until Hume is fit to play.
If Hume never plays again, neither does Morgan.

If criminal action is taken - then I think it's a sad day for sport.

 

It'd be nice if someone just elbowed him repeatably in the face while doing keepy ups, so it could be taken in the spirit of football and all that.

But it needs to be expelled from the game doesn't it? A criminal trial being brought against Morgan is about as likely as me putting my boots back on for an England cap. It doesn't mean it's okay for that kind of thing to go on. Just because the assault is more subtle and on a football pitch doesn't mean it isn't assault. On the street, it's down to the degree of the injury caused surely? If you slap someone and leave a red mark you're not going to be sent down for manslaughter, if you slap someone, they fall over bang their head and die, there's a pretty strong chance you will.

The punishment has to fit the crime. Whether or not it's on a footy pitch. I just want the FA and players like Morgan to realise that there is and should be a suitable consequence for that kind of thing.

 

IOWT for England!

agree with that - probably with the exception of the keepy uppy bit

 

It's alright Susie, I'd happily put my name down to carry out the punishment. In the full knowledge that Chris could safely stand still whilst I try and do 2 keepy up within a 20 yard radius. He'd come to no harm.

 

I haven't.

Because it's up to Hume and the club to decide what they want to do.</p>

It's not up to a baying mob of wanabee vigilantes. </p>

 

Sorry, ugly - still don't agree.

How many "two footed" tackles have been greeted with red cards this season?
How many have resulted in terrible injuries?

We want two footed tackles, which endanged players' careers, removing from the sport.
So why does the extent of the injury have anythng to do with how the sport is regulated?
A terrible tackle can result in no injury.
A slightly late tackle, that looks pretty innocuous, can end a career.

Criminal action for every two footed tackle?

It's either all or nothing.

You can't have your cake & eat it (unless you are a skiing site administrator).

A bird in the bush is worth one in the harris.

I think I've made my point.

 

I really don't think you have made your point. As I've said, in assault, the punishment fits the crime, not the intent. I'm saying, that's what should happen.

If in the future someone throws an elbow, resulting i this kind of injury or worse and they go down for GBH or ABH or whatever. Another player may well think twice about swinging his elbow about on the pitch. You slap a 3 match ban and a weeks wages or some such ****, it's not really any kind of deterent.

That's how you clean up the game. A missed 2 footed lunge should be viewed as the person trying the lunge was lucky he missed, as the consequences aren't a walk in the park, not the victim of the lunge was lucky that his legs weren't broken.

How do you like them apples.

You homosexual.

 

Oh go on. Please. nt

 

Hear! Hear! to all of that. nt

 

It just doesn't work like that.

Two people side by side.
One throws a garden pea at a person.
The other fires a sawn-off shotgun at a passer by.

The bloke ducks the pea, slips, smashes his head in & dies.
The shotgun blast hits a very large St Christopher round the guys neck - no injury to him at all.

15 years in jail for flicking a pea.
"Oooohh, you were lucky there" for the bloke firing the shotgun.

I moonwalk in your general direction.

 

Of course your examples are all complete bolox.

I'm not talking about innocuous incidents or mistimed tackles. The kind of Roy Keane tackle on Alfie or the Thatcher incident aren't everyday things, but there is obvious intent that shouldn't go unpunished. They are indefensible. In my view, so was Morgan's challenge.

Surely you know how law actually works outside football don't you and you're just being awkward for the sake of it?

That's not a moon walk btw, that's just walking backwards and falling over.

 

Do I know how the law works outside football?

No.
Do I know how the law works inside football?
No.

I'm not a solicitor.
Not many people on here are - although some folk seem to think they are fountains of knowledge, not spouters of ballax.

I can't wait to see our local derbies in a few years time.
The Barnsley Buckaroos v The Sheffield Steelmeisters.
All the players in big shoulder pads & head protection.

There's not much wrong with our sport & I fully agree that incidents like this on the field of play should be dealt with very harshly.
The problem for me is that the FA should be competent enough to deal with this without involving the Police.

Oh, and your response was a bit gay.
And that wasn't a fall - I was doing the swan dive.

 

You did ask very nicely.

But no thanks.

Good luck with the petition, by the way.
I think you are trying to do the right thing & raise the issue at the highest level.
I just can't sign something that I don't agree with the details of.

Again, good luck.

And I really do mean it.

 

It's like arguing with Windy now.

You don't need to be a solicitor to understand that you won't go down for swinging a punch and missing. Or am I too unqualified to make that assumption. Seeing as though you had a solicitor on the phone the other day, why not ring him again and just double check that for me. That's the law I'm talking about, because you appeared to be bringing in miss timed and innocuous challenges into the argument and I'm trying to point out that it's not necessary. The FA don't have the authority to act on this kind of thing appropriately and never will.

Swan don't dive backwards. I'm doing the caterpiller to loud applause btw. You're doing the mash potato and people are starting to walk off all embarrassed.

 

In a "Chris" stylee - YOU ARE WRONG.

I don't even know how to do the mash potato.
You need to check your facts before posting.
I feel really sorry for you.

I can't be Windy anymore.
It's not much fun.

I'll phone the solicitor now.
It's Friday - they finish early when the building sites shut down for the weekend.

Were we having an argument?
I wish I'd have known.
I'd have actually read what you wrote.

Ooops - I'm Windy again.

 

Neither have I. nt