'It's clear from these accounts that by next year....

like they all wouldn't still get that for the next 500 years anyway

people would still follow who 'should' be king of England and as such they would be a target and would be protected in the same way as any celebrity or politician is often assigned police protection eg. retired prime ministers or former N.I. secretaries

 

RE: I don't pay anywhere near 40% income tax

M1 dyke, I'm going to try and make this as simple as possible for you; its clear you are fecking stupid.

1: You said (and I am quoting): Then theres all the employment that they create of which 40% comes back as income tax.

2: I then stated that not many royal employees would earn enough to put the in the threshold of 40% tax.

3: You went off on one waffling about NI contributions and trying to make out like you knew what you were on about. Basic maths shows you were talking crap.

4. I asked you to explain where you had got your figures from but I’m expecting a long wait.

I reckon you’ve been on the M1 too long and the fumes have damaged your brain (dribble) (dribble)

 

RE: You might as well talk to a fecking tree mate.

I just tried to keep things simple for you.

I didn't want to confuse you as it clearly seems to have.

The exact figure can be really low for some people and really high for others. But 40% seems to me like a decent approximation given the subject matter.

there's other stuff too.

Most of the booze their guests sup at these swanky parties they throw will have taxes applied to it.

The petrol in their cars will also be taxed and I think, but I'm not sure some of their cars have car tax on them, but I have an idea that the state limosines are exempt. I'm unable accuratly quantify exaclty how much fuel excise duty the new Rolls Royce limosine they have will generate as I do not have it's latest MPG performance figures.

But out of that 41 million gross a fair amount will be coming right back as various taxes.

Like I said I was trying to make it simple for you as you are struggling with the basic concept that having a royal family on balance is a good thing for the country.

 

RE: We rent the tower of london?

I think it's the constitutional difference between the "Crown" and the Queen.

At the minute it's not an issue, but there would be an interesting legal battle should the Queen and the Crown be separated.

I'm sure someone is scurrying through google at the minute to help us all out, improve the quality of the debate and prove me wrong.

In fact even you "own" your house and land you don't own the land your house it built on . The "crown" does. If you own your land Free hold you are "holding" it free of tenure (rent) from the crown. I'm not sure of the exacts but it's something medieval like that.

I'm not sure constitutionally whether there is such as thing as the "state" given that the government is her majesties government and prisoners go to her majiesties prisons, and ships are H.M.S. and all that.

But I could be wrong.

I don't even like the frkcing royals, but I don't mind paying my £1.33.

 

Also

don't forget that you don't pay 20% on all your income as there is the tax allowance on the first £6k-ish.

 

RE: Also

My point exactly.

For some it's 0% for others it's 50% plus.

But for most it's round about 40%

 

RE: Also

**** me why dont you just stop digging. Its not round about anything; its an exact science - you pay according to thresholds not just some random figure. Some pay 40% but it is not this for most people and when working out income tax they dont take NI or how much booze you drink into account. I cant believe you've tried to make sense of your nonsense by equating all sorts into your 40% equation. (clown)

 

I'm sorry - you are quite right and I'm so wrong.

Average UK mans salary £27,092 (source national statistics)

Employers NI £2772
Empeee's NI £2382

Income Tax £6593

total state take £11,747. or 38.06% of money spent on the "average" employee.


I was so wrong when I said 40% of staff costs went straight back to the government.

I will scurry off down my hole now as the difference has such a material impactc to the point I was making that I was clearly and totally wrong in my assertion.

OOOPs there I go again. No I said Income tax didn't I to make it simple for you....Once more I am humbled your wonderfulness.

 

RE: I'm sorry - you are quite right and I'm so wrong.

You threw the first stone, I simply threw it back. My point was that most staff employed by the royal household dont pay 40% in income tax - they dont earn enough. I can't be arsed reading your half-witted attempts to make your rant make sense anymore. I'm all for reasoned debate and banter but I draw the line when some cretin calls me names without any justification and even more so when they are talking B*ll*cks.

 

RE: You're right, they only cost £41 million.

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You can gibber all you like.</p>

I think you've finally ralised you're talking ****.</p>

 

How are you proposing we acquire these estates? nt

 

Can't believe it still hasn't got through.

&pound;41m out</p>

&pound;190m in</p>

 

let what would be the former royal family live in the several huge homes that they own

And tell them that they will no longer be allowed to live for free in the dozens of properties that are owned by the state.

 

Can I just point out for the hard of thinking.

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The Crown Estate isn't just where the monarch lives.</p>

<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="602" border="0"><tbody><tr><td style="height: 14px" valign="top"><table width="439" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top"><ul>[*]<span class="body"><font size="2">&pound;211 million in revenue surplus &ndash; all of the net revenue generated annually by The Crown Estate is paid to the government for the benefit of the taxpayer.</font></span> [*]<span class="body"><font size="2">The portfolio is managed actively. Property sales and purchase transactions valued at millions of pounds are made by The Crown Estate every year.</font></span> [*]<span class="body"><font size="2">Land and property belonging to The Crown Estate is let through almost 10,000 tenancies across the UK.</font></span> [*]<span class="body"><font size="2">The urban portfolio represents 78% of The Crown Estate&rsquo;s total property value and over 75% of its gross revenue surplus. It includes shops, offices, retail and business parks, industrial sites and residential properties.</font></span> [*]<span class="body"><font size="2">1,340 affordable housing units are provided for key workers in London.</font></span> [*]<span class="body"><font size="2">Almost all of the property in London&rsquo;s Regent Street and Regent&rsquo;s Park belongs to The Crown Estate.</font></span> [*]<span class="body"><font size="2">The marine estate includes more than 55% of the UK&rsquo;s foreshore, tidal river-beds and almost all of the seabed within the 12 nautical miles limit &ndash; including rights to all minerals but excluding hydrocarbons.</font></span> [*]<span class="body"><font size="2">With 119,000 hectares (294,000 acres) of agricultural land and forest, we have one of the largest rural estates in the UK.</font></span> [*]<span class="body"><font size="2">Windsor Great Park, the only Royal Park owned and managed by The Crown Estate, is enjoyed by around 2 million visitors every year.</font></span> [*]<span class="body"><font size="2">Rights to all naturally occurring gold and silver &ndash; the Mines Royal &ndash; belong to The Crown Estate.</font></span>[/list]</td><td style="width: 10px"></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><td style="height: 25px"></td></tr></tbody></table></p>

 

I agree mate.

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Which is why I'd never bow to anyone. This suggestion to get shut though, lunacy.</p>

 

Steal property?

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Are you Robert Mugabe?</p>

And I still don't think you've got your head around who's giving who something for free.</p>

 

but am i right in thinking

that buckingham palace, windsor castle, kensington palace, clarence house etc are not part of the crown estate and are 100% state owned?

 

It's called sequestration...

a la Thatcher and the NUM

But I'm not getting involved again...

 

That's a nice word.

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Iwonder if that's what Mugabe called it.</p>

 

how can you steal something from someone if it doesnt belong to them?

if buckingham palace is owned by the state then how can the state steal it?
If buckingham palace is NOT owned by the royal family then how can you steal it from them?