It's like stealing money

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  1. man

    mansfield_red Well-Known Member

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    Interesting one. Your bet was wrong but they still took it without questioning it. Were you trying to pull a fast one or was it an innocent mistake?
     
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    redarmychris Well-Known Member

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    I can see that appointment more than I can see the Coyle one. Most Celtic fans are very much against Coyle.

    A guy on Twitter has stated a source at Celtic has told him Mcnamara is in pole position. Someones obviously telling fibs.
     
  3. NIGHTMARE

    NIGHTMARE Banned Idiot

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    It's not pulling a fast one, it's the bookies pulling a fast one giving you odds of 40/1 if anyone is, when it should be 75/1. They want you having scorer and score doubles because their difficult to predict, but they try ripping you off
    I wasn't taking 40/1 when it's a 75/1 double
     
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    But those are the odds for those independent outcomes, when you put them together in a double it's not as simple as multiplying the odds.
     
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    NIGHTMARE Banned Idiot

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    It is when you pick 5 teams to win, or 2 horses, or any other multiple bet. So this should be same their ripping people off
     
  6. man

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    But different matches/horses are independent events. A first scorer/scorecast is related.

    Let's say I've got a bag with 10 balls in, 5 are red 5 are black. 3 of the red ones have a star on them, 1 of the black ones does. I'm a generous bookie and offer odds of 6/4 on you pulling out a ball with a star and 1/1 on you pulling out a red ball (both break even bets). You ask me for odds of pulling out a red ball with a star. If you multiply the odds of each bet as an accumulator I would be offering 4/1. This would be incorrect as the actual chance of pulling a red star ball is 30% not 20%.
     
  7. man

    mansfield_red Well-Known Member

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    Or to put it another way do you think they should let you bet on say Barnsley to win 1-0 and Barnsley to win as a double?
     
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    I imagine the reasoning behind this is that if you put an accumalator or double on, the first outcome wouldn't directly impact the next, but with your bet the first goalscorer coming in would increase the chance of your score being correct.
     
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    NIGHTMARE Banned Idiot

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    Theirs 20 players on field that could score first, they might not even but a goal so one doesn't have out come on the other ten players could score that don't effect the other outcome
    Their robbing ba'stards ether play fair or don't play
     
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    NIGHTMARE Banned Idiot

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    If I back rvp to score first and Spain to win 2-1 they'll still cut odds and Dutch player scoring first should enhance it not cut it
     
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    No, it improves your chances of the 2-1 result being right because one of the teams has already scored.
     
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    mansfield_red Well-Known Member

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    Why didn't you add in the team to win overall and also the first goalscorer to score anytime and make it a quadruple?
     
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    NIGHTMARE Banned Idiot

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    Load of ******, it just a case of bookies wanting it all their own way. And you can reply all day you'll not convince me it's anything else

    Messi is 8/1 to be top scorer
    Spain are 7/1 to win World Cup
    At ladbrookes it's a 33/1 double
    No one in this world could convince me that's right
     
  14. man

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    That appears more like the bookies shaving the odds at first glance but they are still related events. Messi being top goalscorer relies on them progressing fairly deep, but by backing Spain to win you are ruling out the possibility of Argentina winning, which makes Messi being top scorer less likely. Also it increases the chances (in the hypothetical context where Spain win) of a Spanish player being top scorer, and reduces the chances of other nation's players (e.g. Neymar, RvP etc of topscoring). However 33/1 does seem excessively tight on that one because the events aren't incredibly interdependent. But with a first goalscorer/correct scorer bet the two outcomes are massively interdependent.

    Like I say, under your reasoning you would be able to add in the team you were backing as a straight win market and the first goalscorer to score anytime for a quadruple which would just be crazy.
     
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    NIGHTMARE Banned Idiot

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    I know what your saying but getting one of them bets up in first place is very difficult, if anything they should be offering better odds to get people making the bets in first place
     
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    According to the BBC

    The Scottish Sun are reporting that Ronny Deila, currently the coach of Norwegian champions Stromsgodset, is close to being named as the new manager of Celtic.
     
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    Re: According to the BBC

    Yep Ronny Delia set to be named as new boss! What a nightmare :(
     
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    Re: According to the BBC

    Time to get that rifle out LD and pop rarnd Celtic Park.
     
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    NIGHTMARE Banned Idiot

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    I've just had 20 on at 4/1
     
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    8/11 now so you did well there. Looks like I'm taking a £100 hit!
     

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