It's wrong to 'troll' or criticise people on here

Patrick Cryne has specifically mentioned the 'bulletin board' in his criticism hasnt he?

Another hypocritical one (in my opinion) was lambasting holgate for wanting away and then when talking about Stones saying that a club (everton) shouldn't stand in a players way if they wish to leave and that money isn't the important factor.

 

That was my take on it too but since his lambasting of holgate for not securing us a good enough deal he has said posted a (in my opinion) completely contradictory statement regarding evertons shameful treatment of stones. Have a look, its the one dated 27th August.

I'll tell you one thing that has surprised me about all of this fans meetings and facebook stuff and that is the admission that they all look on here on a daily basis and yet the repeated complaints have somehow not been actioned on. Take for example the TV stuff (I know, I know). As you know I mention the TV's not being on practically every match and yet the club completely failed to act on it and even recently Ben/Linton said at a meeting that they weren't aware there was a problem anymore. How the hell were they not aware if they are reading the BBS every day? It's not like this place has millions of threads a day anymore is it.

 

That's not how it happens on here tho' is it? There are a number of people with agendas, such that every defeat allows them to reiterate that Johnson is the worst manager we've ever had, certain players are stealing a living and this Barnsley team is not worthy of their support. The converse is also posited in riposte. Truth is that this is nowhere near the worst team we've ever had, nor is it the best team we've ever had. We're somewhere in between and given time we'll find out which we're actually closer to. Very few things are black and white, but often the response on here post match is completely binary- if I'm allowed to massively mangle my metaphors.

 

Just think though, if someone had been bothered to spend 2 minutes thinking about the TV's a year ago (2, 3, 4, 5 years ago?) then they wouldn't have had constant complaints (and not just from me either) and people bashing them. If they had put an ounce of effort into the small things instead of dismissing them then people wouldn't be so down on them from the start and would perhaps view other things in a more positive light. Thats what some at oakwell seem to completely fail to understand.

 

So is the response as you walk out of oakwell in a crowd, the response in pubs and bars, the response on coaches, the response when talking to friends and family etc.

 

Not the conversations I have.

 

Does the club have anyone from the service industry working for them in higher management roles? I think that is a key reason to be honest.

 

And it's a massive problem.

Personally speaking, I'm not bothered if the matchday experience is crap. The only thing I ever do is buy a cup of tea inside the ground.

I don't care either way whether the tellies are on or off. It doesn't interest me. In other words, I'll go to Oakwell pretty much no matter what, because I've been going for 20 years, and it's what I do with my days off work.

For other people, though? For my mate's ten-year-old lad? Coming to the football has to be more interesting than staying at home and playing Minecraft. Sometimes it is, and sometimes it isn't. There's absolutely nothing at all to entice him. He just sits in the cold, and we go again when the game ends.

There are no tellies on. There's nowhere for us to go before or after the match (because you can't get into Redfearn's. I'm not knocking the people who run it - it's probably the best thing about the whole club at the moment, and the capacity is the capacity.) The stadium isn't a bright, interesting place which says 'you're better off here than on your Xbox, mate.' The concourses are drab. And so on, and so forth.

Me, Barnsley have me. Him, I'm not so sure.

 

Do fans have agendas? What's yours?

My agenda for match day:
Meet mates in pub and have a laugh.
Talk to JLWBL at game and have a laugh. Talk to family about things and stuff.
Meet mates back in pub and have a laugh. (Don't always get to do this).
Maybe write a match report if I can be arsed.
Read other match reports, particularly away games if I haven't been.
I've even come to the conclusion (because we haven't been in the promotion hunt for so long), that the result doesn't matter all that much and some days when we lose can be better than when we win.

BFC agenda for non match days:
Read folks opinions on here.
Give my own.
Try to say summat funny/relevant/intelligent. (Quite often don't manage that).

I realise that's not the type of agenda you meant, but do you really believe people have them? I know some people are really boring and go on about how rubbish things are, but that's not because they have an agenda, they're just really boring people with no social skills.

As much as you and I may disagree with it, believing sacking football managers is the best solution to all the problems a football club may face isn't an agenda, it's just an opinion. And let's face it, it's an opinion that has been more in tune with that of the Barnsley board room over the last 15 years than what we believe. It's not even necessarily wrong. We might be doing even worse if we'd sacked fewer managers, we'll never know.

Wanting good results and good performances right now isn't an agenda either. It may be impatience, but it's not an agenda. Rubbishing players? Again, not a particularly attractive quality, but if a person believes the team will perform much better without that player then they may feel they're doing the right thing for the good of the club. If wanting what's best for the club is an agenda then we've all got one.

People are arseholes. They say stupid, crass things that may be counter-productive, myself included, but that doesn't mean they're cooking up some plot.

Personally, I've been more dispirited reading some of the things Mr Cryne has said than I've ever read on here, but I know for a fact he wants the club to succeed and I know he puts a lot of his own money in to try and make that happen. I don't think he's got some secret agenda, I just don't like what he says.

 

I love it when you're deliberately obtuse. There are supporters on here who never wanted LJ as manager and will use every defeat as evidence that they were correct in not wanting him. Using my limited vocabulary I term this as having an agenda. I did indicate I think 'some' people have an agenda, not everyone.

Clearly every match day I too have a written timetable of places and activities to participate in. When folded in my pocket, this is my hidden agenda. I think you're probably right that people articulate their anger/disappointment in different ways, I just can't get my head around the default response being destructive after any minor setback. The hyperbole that accompanies every game is just bizarre. Maybe my expectations are just different and my response if they're not met is less alarmist. Maybe I have no soul.

 

Maybe you are over analysing things.

Games are Brill as like Everton match
Sometimes games are just a bit dour
It happens.
Then sometimes games are Carp.
We would like entertaining games but it doesn't happen even with the top teams.
If their are little positive signs things are progressing people are generally happy.
Take away the Everton Game and analyse our league displays over the last 5 months and it is Hugely disappointing.
Early days and things hopefully will improve.
New recruits in the next 24 hours will be a huge boost (NOT LOANS FOR GODS SAKE)

 

It's never deliberate, it just comes naturally.