Ivermectin

kids also tend to care more about other people and have concerns about infecting them. My dads pretty vulnerable and I know that his grand kids across our family are worried now they are back in school that they will catch it and give it him.

 

All kids are different

 

Not the first time you've criticised other parents and acted like you are the best parent on the world. All kids are different, yours aren't representative of all kids. Your lifestyle and the privileges your kids have had because of it aren't representative of the entire nation.

I'm actually not against the parents being given a choice but it absolutely shouldn't be the choice of a 12 year old kid who hasn't even started puberty to decide whether the risk of a blood clot is greater or lesser than the risk of catching covid which they may or may not become ill from or the risk of passing it on to someone else who should already be vaccinated. If we are putting that choice in the hands of prepubescent kids then they should be given much more rights to make decisions on their lives but nobody would suggest giving them the right to smoke or to consent to a sexual relationship because it's ludicrous.
One thing I'd say is that whilst parents should have the right to choose there should be absolutely no coercion or threats of passports etc

 

nope again you make a completely spurious argument.

I expect that 99.9% of parents can have a discussion with their kids and come to the right decision for them whereas you seem to think that parents are incapable of parenting despite not even being a parent yourself.

I know of no one who isn’t capable of coming to the right decision for them. In your imaginary world with your imaginary kids you are seen surrounded by people who are incapable of basic parenting which isn’t something I’ve experienced.

“Threat of passports” can you hear yourself. They will be the reality so that vulnerable people can go out with a little more security because some of us don’t think vulnerable people should have to lock themselves away forever.

 

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You are right. The vast majority of the ones I come into contact are pretty caring and thoughtful but appreciate that may not be everyone’s experience.

 

Not even the best in our house. Lazy, stubborn and pretty self cantered. But still able to have a basic discussion as most parents are. What sort of imaginary parent are you?

 

I'm not one. Don't even try pulling the 'you don't have kids you can't possibly know anything about kids' line though

 

Whilst I fully support the kids decision, this makes me very sad. I hate hearing about such thing with young people, which is why I support St. Judes and GOSH.

Wishing her well.

 

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consu...-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

 

Proper medical advice that

 

Spurious arguments seem to be ones you don't agree with.

Let's put this simply. A 12 year old is a minor, they are protected by law from having the responsibility of making stupid decisions for themselves.

I'm sure some are mature enough, but definitely not all. Even if you factored in a "sensible discussion" between the 12 year old and their parents you probably would get a huge number of people making a poorly thought-through choice as, let's be fair, a sizeable number of adults are ill-advised about literally every aspect of covid.

To be clear, I'm not advocating that all kids should be marched into vaccination centres and forced to have the jab, but putting that decision on the child themselves is wrong on almost every level.

 

Knowing kids in this age group as well as I do, I can guarantee that the decision making for almost all of them will be influenced by what their parents tell them to do: some will try and persuade their parents to let them not have it because they are scared (either of needles or the vaccine itself), some will try and persuade their parents to let them have it for various reasons and a very tiny minority will feel confident enough to go against what their parents want. I very strongly suspect that barely any would dare to go against their parents about something so major (if the parents are dead against it, this would be a major defiance that would result in a huge backlash and most kids just wouldn't be brave enough to do that for something like being able to go to an event and socialise - there wouldn't be much point, their parents would ground them). They might argue with their parents about all sorts of things day to day and be influenced by mates on what clothes they want to wear and what phone they want... but to actually get injected with something their parents expressly forbade them to do when push came to shove? I just can't see it. The only ones I think would be influenced by external things would be the ones whose parents say that it's up to the kid to choose.

My own thought on the matter is that I am torn. I would have said hands down it should be the parent's choice, and most of me is still leaning heavily that way, but then I see all the posts on social media where kids in America get caught up on all their vaccines at 18 because their parents wouldn't let them have them, and I see the adult Covid deniers and conspiracy theorists and it makes me not so sure.

 

That's what I was talking about though, the idea of just giving the kid the choice. Giving the parents the choice is fine and the kids can obviously have whatever input they want at home but we just can't open up the door of giving 12 year old prepubescent kids the right to make big decisions

 

If the parent has given the kid the choice then they've (the parent) have obviously chosen that they are ok with them having it, otherwise they'd just outright tell them they're not having it - no parent who is dead against it is going to say 'it's up to you'. The parent should be having a discussion with the child about it anyway to explain their reasoning either way and if they have decided that they're happy for the child to have it/specifically want them to have it then they should still listen to the child's worries, although they may ultimately decide to force them to have it for their own safety if they believe it to be necessary. The age range of 12 - 16 would be a sliding scale as to how much the parent makes the decision without input. I can't imagine many parents of 15/16-year-olds not having a serious conversation with their child, and asking their opinion about it, unless they have extremely strong views themselves either way.

Haven't 12-year-olds always been able to see a doctor and make their own treatment decisions? There was definitely a poster up in my doctor's growing up that said that. I remember being excited about turning 12 and that I was allowed to go to the doctors on my own (even though I never did as I never needed to). I'm pretty certain the law just says that the doctor has to think that you are competent to make decisions by yourself.

 

That would be the climate change denying conspiracy theorist Malcolm Roberts would it?
I'd suggest you swap your internet echo chamber and maybe just start afresh with something simple like Wikipedia.

 

Follow the science. Unless you don’t like it.

 

they already can on oral contraception and that can have negative health effects too.