Jacob Butterfield

Re: to me, that says you didn't even go...

Now that is plain wrong.

If I want to see for example what kind of game Butterfield is playing, do i look at the tv ?

Errr. no. I see a picture of the action - where the ball is - nowt to do with his positioning, his effort, his tracking back, his movement off the ball etc.

So you don't have anything magical to see who is playing well on the tv, over at the ground

 

Re: to me, that says you didn't even go...

Ok whatever you say matey. silly argument and you have read it wrongly, but it does not matter one jot.
Have a good night.

 

Re: to me, that says you didn't even go...

Oh I'm sorry, are you now saying because I watched on TV i'm not allowed an opinion? I have attended games this season and decided that i wasn't paying £16 to go to this match, you seem to have a problem with this. As mentioned previously I don't think you quite understand the argument. I'm not just blaming Jacob for us losing the game, the whole team were poor and fair play to Ipswich, however in my opinion he did go missing in the second half. If as you say he didn't, then what exactly did he do?

 

He's going nowhere in January, why? No one above us will put an offer in for him.

 

Thought he made some sublime passes tonight

Played the through ball for Drinkwater to win the penalty. Took the corner for Vaz Te to nod home.

As a team we disintegrated in the second half. I wouldn't single anyone out for blame. It was just a team capitulation. But for anyone to single out a 21 year old still learning his trade really saddens me. We've got a young lad who can produce flashes of brilliance in almost every game, the likes of which we haven't seen for years. Yet when he isn't bossing the game for 90 minutes it seems he's singled out. It's not like he could be blamed for a single Ipswich goal. I'm not sure we deserve such a fantastic prospect. We certainly don't appreciate him. Very sad state of affairs.

 

Re: Thought he made some sublime passes tonight

You are right to say that the second half capitulation was not Jacob's fault alone. Jacob was actually playing OK in the first half when he was asked to play behind Davies. The main problem was that after Drinkwater went off, Jacob was asked to play in a position that does not suit him because he does not know how to do the defensive side of the role and he does not work hard enough at closing players down. KH needs to realise where Jocob's best position is, and play him there, even if that means bringing on Addison, or bringing back Doyle until he can find someone better than those two when Drinkwater is not available. However, if this thread is about the captaincy, as many have pointed out, then I think those who believe that Jacob is not a leader have a point. KH seems to believe that a captains job is restricted to tossing the coin before the start. In which case Jacob is ideal. I think KH is wrong, I think that we need a leader.

 

Re: Thought he made some sublime passes tonight

It was a disappointing result, especially after a first half, that looked like we were heading for a comfortable win. Hopefully all concerned will have learned something from it and we move on stronger together and all that.

What is disgusting though is the amount of personal abuse Jacob Butterfield is getting, especially on twitter. He isn't the ready made Messi that some people have built him up to be and the lad is young enough to be entitled to the odd off game.

A shameful tweet from @chezthelez to Butterfield's mum claimed that her lad had "lost interest in the tarn" - This drew a response of "sorry you think that, I assure u you're wrong. Always singled out if things go wrong & IMO dsnt deserve it."

There were many players yesterday, who for some reason, didn't perform to their usual standards.

 

Re: Thought he made some sublime passes tonight

What a great mum he's got. I agree with what she says......

http://twitter.com/#!/KathrineB18

This so called 'fan' should stop coming to Oakwell silly bitch......

http://twitter.com/#!/chezthelez

 

To be fair, he played well first half and looked the player everyone has been lauding. Second half he was crap - along with just about everyone else - but he does have a responsibility as captain to attempt to inspire and encourage, not just shut up, look at his boots and go missing. He'll learn that side of the game, but it let him down a bit last night. That said, senior players and the management staff should have been trying to wrestle the initiative back too, which never looked like happening.

Davies though - proper handful. Good old fashioned, no nonsense centre forward. Just needs more reliable service from the flanks.

 

He is the captain, he is the player that is getting more plaudits than anyone else, and he has stalled on signing a new deal, despite 6 months ago being a virtual nobody..
Those are just a few reasons as to why the lad is going to come in for key criticism from the supporters, when he went AWOL 2nd half.
As I and many others have said, he wasnt the only one who went missing last night, and I certainly dont blame him for the 5 goals we conceded.
But during that awful spell where Ipswich powered 4 goals in, I was looking to the management, and the captain to gauge their reaction. And both were seemingly clueless as to how they could stop it. I dont care whether it makes a difference or not, I like to see my captain geeing up the lads, barking orders and asking for the ball. Like a Redfearn tbh.
But Jacob did none of that. And Keith bizarrely threw Misfit on up top, rather than Marquee Miles, who could at least head the ball. My mate said at 2-2, its like Snow White and the 4 Dwarves our midfield. And while Bowyer passed it well enough, Andrews took that midfield single-handed, and showed Jacob just how a Premier League midfielder leads by example..
BUT, Jacob bossed that game 1st half, in his proper position, played beautiful balls thru, and looked every inch a Premier League player.
So whilst I am annoyed with his disappearance 2nd half, and his attitude, I remember everything positive he offers, and I wouldnt be surprised to see him smack home a 30 yarder at the Boleyn..
But Keith is still learning, clearly. He has let Doyle go, and we were crying out for him yesterday. And if Marquee isnt good enough, WHY is he here?
I blame Hillcroft as much as the players, because they clearly didnt read the warning signs at London Road...
Other than all that, there were still positives last night, and I am ecstatic at the progress we've made.
Onwards and upwards!

 

Cant blame Butterfield for conceding 2 set piece goals

Im hoping its just a blip, but 3 up at Peterboro then concede 3, now 2 up against Ipswich, thats a worry. Think we came out in the second half and thought the game was already won, then once the first went in we seemed to fold. Think the whole team capitulated, Davies was put off his stride when he missed the 1 on 1, seemed to haunt him for most of the game. Hill replaced Drinkwater with Done which changed the balance in the middle, and as someones already pointed out putting Haynes on for Vaz Te when we needed another body in the middle, like Doyle, or even Addison. And we failed to mark up on set pieces, which is basic stuff.

If we get something at West Ham, it'll be forgotten.

 

If you think the captain of a side has more influence on the game

than any other player then I can only say you have never played the game.

To single Butterfield out when the old pros like "Sir" Bobby didn't step up to the mark either is totally wrong.

Butterfield has been an asset to this team this season and has made a significant contribution to the teams success.

This is a "Team" game, end of.

 

Re: I also do not get this club captain ****** either

You misunderstand the role of Club Captain. The Club Captain is like a shop steward he is the man to discuss general things with the club management rather than individual things within a club.

I fail to see why Butterfield should be singled out for so much venom when the whole team failed to perform in the 2nd half.