Just been watching Dike warming up for WBA

Would Val have come to Barnsley without that clause though?
If he'd go us promoted and then finished 18th and buggered off to another club ala Danny Wilson would it still be the board's fault?
The board have cocked up a number of things, but protecting their investment on up and coming coaches isn't one of them in my opinion.

 

Yep. But he could have been a legend. With this board. Tossers though they are. So your previous post was wrong.

 

It's pretty obvious what I meant. Not sure why you're deliberately misinterpreting it to try and score points.

 

I'm simply pointing out that your post was wrong. That's all.

 

I'm the same but plenty of happy clappers will disagree and want Val to do well. Just as he's entitled to leave after less than a full season the team that gave him his greatest career moment either as a player or coach and take a load of others with him, we are entitled to laugh when he gets sacked before the season ends.

 

If Val wanted to stay and give it another go with the same players for another season in front of the fans, do you think the board would have said no, we are taking the £2m you are going?

 

No you are right Val would have insisted he jad a buy out clause in his contract before he signed.

 

Just like Struber did, and just like many managers and players do.

 

It was clear that my post was meant to refer to the impossibility of him becoming a legend if he stayed this summer.

 

For people criticising Val's decision to leave. I wonder whether he was influenced by being lied to about Dike like we all were. The fee was agreed, it was within budget, there was nothing stopping us signing him. Until of course it came to signing him and suddenly we were never going to be able to afford him without getting promoted first. As a fan i felt lied to, cheated and swindled. I imagine as the manager I'd feel exactly the same.

It's no coincidence that at the first opportunity he's signed the player he was promised we could afford here before the club went back on its word.

 

How is putting a maximum possible return on their investment protecting it?

 

I think a lot of people forget he was unemployed when we gave him a job, and while that doesn’t mean we should expect perpetual loyalty and gratitude, not staying for a full season and taking half the staff with him seems a slightly ungrateful way to behave. So on balance and with a great deal of consideration and thought, I say fk him.

 

Yes. They attributed no one wanting our players to Val's style of playing rather than them being cash strapped due to Covid.

 

I believe they offered Mowatt to stay the highest wage we have ever offered a player. This would indicate that they wanted to keep Mowatt and that was a player who was instrumental to Vals style of play.
It is a fact and an accurate statement we have to sell players to stay in business this is because our income due to our fan base size, TV money and sponsorship not covering high wages and incoming transfer fees. It is also a fact that players playing the style of football Val played didn't attract any offers from other clubs. It is also a fact that when we are bottom of the league our players won't attract many offers.
The CEO or whoever said it was just being honest and supporters jumped on it with their own agenda's.
I seem to be one of very few people who doesn't want the owners to invest their own money because when they do then Barnsley fc will owe them money and that's where I don't trust these owners as they will eventually want it back and if we are not successful by using their money that's when the real problems will start.

 

It appears to me we want owners who will fund our club, be willing to lose money without return unless we are successful but the owners take all the risk on success or not.
I would think anyone who takes that type of risk with a football club either has too much money and uses the football club as a hobby, or is a super fan of the club and doesn't mind losing money or is just thick.

 

Struber and Ismael we're both up and coming coaches with good reputations. We needed a manager mid season. I think putting the clause in would have been insisted upon by their agents and in fact would ensure we got s return from them if as we expected, they were successful.
What other lure is there for a young ambitious coach to come to Barnsley other than to show how good you are and put yourself in the shop window?

 

Well I'm not too sure of the intellect of these owners if they didn't realise Covid was playing havoc with the transfer market. I think the to be a businessman you did have to take risks? I just don't really want owners who are getting all excited by the idea of setting up consortiums to hoover up European football with no real idea about how football works. They keep repeating the same mistakes imo.

 

More managers than jobs though. It's not coming to Barnsley as such, but coming to England that's the lure.

 

I don't blame him at all for leaving, any of them, our ambition is clear to see.
Just as I say the Petty side of me will still enjoy seeing him fail (if he does)

 

Sorry Helen Im not having a go and the majority agree with you but what mistakes are they repeating? Struber, Heckingbottom and Val wanted to leave for more money at bigger clubs. Stendel, Morais, Schopp had to go as they were failing or had failed, it was the right decision to let them go.