Just checking. Am I still a conspiracy theorist for believing we will have vaccine passports

So a fan should buy a ticket at risk that even if they feel completely fine they won't get in if a not totally reliable lateral flow test tells them they have covid? That doesn't seem fair.

 

But if I was ill and had to miss a match I'd not get a refund Same thing surely?

 

But you could have a cough/fever that day that's not covid and not go because it's a symptom, or you could live with someone who got a positive PCR test and not be able to go and you wouldn't get a refund for that. It'd be rubbish but if we have the scenario where someone who doesn't have it is out of pocket or we have the scenario where someone does have it and doesn't know and infects the people around them, then I'd rather someone be out of a few quid, unfortunately.

 

Then don't start facetious arguments.

 

It wasn't. It was valid.

 

I think everything about your personal medical record is sacred. Because if it's not, businesses/governments/those in power will stop you doing things, stop you going places, stop you travelling, stop you getting insurance, stop you getting a job, stop your medical treatment and treat you as a third class citizen. Actually, not a citizen, a burden, a burden with no rights. That you're welcoming this, I find utterly obscene. You spoke earlier in this thread about someone who cannot have the vaccine. If this kind of thing is ushered in that person won't be allowed anywhere or given anything, because the medical record that you want to share states categorically they're invalid. Someone who has chosen not to have a vaccine will be miles further up the list than someone who medically can't have one, because the reason they can't have one will also be documented and no one is going anywhere near someone like that. I genuinely cannot believe you're arguing in favour of this.

 

I can't understand why it wouldn't be a benefit to you to know the person sat next to you at Oakwell has been vaccinated. I anticipate 100% compliance in the ESL!

 

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It doesn't matter anyway because you know that virus that gave us a pandemic and we have been told we need to learn to live along side of and that it's here to stay forever? Well a minister has claimed by August or September we will be the only coronavirus free country in Europe. How's that work then?

 

It would be a benefit to know that the person next to you has been vaccinated against influenza too right? And all the other things we OPTIONALLY vaccinate against

 

How many kill 130,00+ inside 12 months?

 

What level of death is acceptable to you? What level of risk is acceptable? Genuine question

 

Everyone does have the opportunity to get a flu vaccine though, either free on the NHS if you are at particular risk, or refunded through some companies (especially this year) or for a tenner from Boots. Once everyone has had the opportunity to have the Covid one then we have to get back to normal but while ever it is literally impossible for some people to get it, then this is the way forward. Why some people are complaining about having to lose 30mins of their day to have a test to prove they won't accidentally kill someone during a pandemic (or be able to show proof of vaccine if you've already had one instead) to go to a non-essential event I don't know. Especially when it's only needed until the vaccine becomes available to all.

 

But not a salient one. I've had my jab, but I'm not averse to the person sat next to me knowing that I have. Whatever the risk is, it's avoidable with some sort of passporting scheme?

 

Is that the 30 minute famously unreliable ones with ridiculous false positive levels?

 

Genuine question as these are the only options I can see. Would you rather:

a) have a choice of having a negative test or showing proof of vaccine to enter an event
b) have to have a negative test to enter an event (no-one can get out of this by showing vaccine proof, it is tests for all no matter whether you have had a vaccine or not)
c) everyone enters an event with no negative test or vaccine proof and puts everyone attending (and their families, colleagues etc.) at risk

I think from your posts you are saying c) but I'm not sure if you would be happy with b) so long as your medical records stays secret (although if you chose option a you could just choose to have a test and keep your vaccine status secret anyway).

 

If someone would only feel safe if people wasted time out of their own day to try and pass a unreliable test wouldn't that person be better off staying at home until they feel safer?

 

I haven't seen anything that proves that to be the case. But as that is what you are calling them then yes. I'd rather get a false positive than have no test at all and spread it about. It's like the glass half empty/half full thing. If I went and got a positive result I'd think 'thank god I had this test, I can't believe I could have almost killed someone for a game of football' whereas others might think 'this is bullsh*t, I've paid for this ticket and it's probably wrong and I'm so angry at the world right now'. If I then somehow had another test and it was negative I'd think 'excellent, I don't have Covid, it's crap I missed the football but I'd rather be safe than sorry'. I wonder what the other someone who then somehow had another test and it came back positive would think? I'd take a fake positive test over an unknown positive any day of the week.

 

Yes, 100%, if it could only impact on them. It doesn't though, if they get it they could pass it on to their family/colleagues/anywhere else they decide they are happy to take the risk to themselves at. How much of a d*ck would I have to be to say 'I'm happy with the risk to myself, I'm going to the football, everyone else can stay home' and then pass it on to everyone at work to take home to their families?

On the flipside, if you are worried about wasting time out of your day, wouldn't you be better off staying at home until you feel safer?

 

Which is a risk you and i take every winter without batting anxeyelid

 

I have a flu vaccine. The vaccine is also readily available to everyone who wants one who can take one.