Just checking. Am I still a conspiracy theorist for believing we will have vaccine passports

This thing pretty much goes away when the weathers hot anyway

 

Think it is more of an older person place in all honesty .

 

That’s Ilfracombe.

 

The one good thing about having a prime minister who's willing to say literally anything is that there's a good chance stuff like this will be immediately swept under the carpet once people in the civil service who know what they're doing look at it. See also his many bridges.

But honestly, imagine saying that "businesses would welcome" this idea. The one thing that the last year has made clear is that the number of influential members of the House of Commons who have ever run a small business, or even worked in one, is vanishingly small.

 

I beg to differ Helen.

I went when I was 21 and the beach was full of French & Spanish people around the same age.

Though you might be right that not many young Brits go

 

I take it that comment was an April fool remark , people have died all over the world including countries with warm climates , try the USA & Brazil for example & nearer home with Spain & Italy , its not gone away anywhere apart from maybe Gibraltar where incidentally all the adults have been vaccinated

 

It faded to almost nothing in July August in the UK being my point. Wasn't it about 5 deaths a day?

 

Gaslighter?

 

I went when I was 19 but the other Brits I met were either families or older.

 

It didn"t go away though & thats why these actions are being taken , Malta will not welcome anyone from anywhere who might be a risk & what ever the climate is the virus is still active all over the world , the one ray of light is vaccination

 

EFL backing the idea....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/s...EFL-want-vaccine-passports-fans-stadiums.html

 

And yet no one can give a proper answer to why we would need a Covid passport other than to "be safe". Which given the vaccine doesnt guarantee you cannot be infected or transmit the virus suggests more about that persons mental state than anything else.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-56608632?

Plenty of hospitality will struggle as everyone having to sign in to a venue will put people off.

 

But cram yourself in to the shops, nobody needs to know who you are there

 

Went to Valetta, when I was 21 and was definitely an older persons place. Mind was 30 years ago though

 

For me, domestic vaccine 'passports' are potentially the single most worrying social and legislative development of the entire pandemic.

They'll be thin end of a very big wedge, and once that system is in place, it will never be given up. They're discriminatory and they'll create a two tiered society. As with everything, it'll become more politicised. It'll morph into a version of China's idea of a social credit system. And if you don't see what's wrong with that then, I'm afraid, I can't help you.

I just hope for everyone who supports granting power to other individuals who can determine what basic freedoms you are allowed access to on the condition of undertaking a medical procedure, that in the future you all ensure you have your papers in order. I'd hate to see it bite you the arse.

Looks like we're having them either way. I can promise we will regret it.

 

Correct.

The un-jabbed will become the lepers of Britain.

 

It's not those who haven't been vaccinated that you should be worrying about. It's those with this condition or that disability that will also be added to the medical passport you have to carry around with you and disclose to get insurance or a job or a mortgage or a loan or a credit card or medical assistance or benefits or a place to live.

 

Equating laws that sovereign countries set in order for entry with laws that sovereign countries are able to set to allow entry.....

 

Exactly. And what about mental health conditions? That'll be an interesting one. Can you remember when people cared about mental health? And patient confidentiality?

Once the systems are in place and they develop they will inevitably become politicised. Not only will the unvaccinated become the 'unclean', but passports will become a tool to coerce. That is the issue here. Giving the state further powers to coerce is dangerous and we should always be skeptical. It's incredibly naive to think that these powers will always be used altruistically.

Not meeting your carbon targets? Sorry, no pub for you.

For me, it just doesn't sit right with me that we are looking to make basic freedoms a privilege. Nor does it sit right that people should be coerced into having a medical procedure. What happened to my body my choice? I've been vaccinated, by the way.